16 May 08
I got an idea when discussing snakes in the Vatican aliens thread.
According to genesis, the reason why snakes don't have legs is because the first snake caused all our problems with sin etc.
So, that means that all snakes are descended from that first snake.
Considering the vast variety of snakes in the world today including not just many different species but significantly different body patterns and DNA, doesn't that contradict some of the creationists claims about the range of change that is possible via evolution? For example Kelly has claimed that no new organ can evolve, yet different snakes have different organs.
16 May 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadThat's a proof of itself...
I got an idea when discussing snakes in the Vatican aliens thread.
According to genesis, the reason why snakes don't have legs is because the first snake caused all our problems with sin etc.
So, that means that all snakes are descended from that first snake.
Considering the vast variety of snakes in the world today including not just many different sp ...[text shortened]... le Kelly has claimed that no new organ can evolve, yet different snakes have different organs.
Don't read the bible and believe in it in the same time.
It's only beduine stories, told at the camp fire.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadWhat verse in Genesis refers to the legs of a snake one way or another?
I got an idea when discussing snakes in the Vatican aliens thread.
According to genesis, the reason why snakes don't have legs is because the first snake caused all our problems with sin etc.
So, that means that all snakes are descended from that first snake.
Considering the vast variety of snakes in the world today including not just many different sp le Kelly has claimed that no new organ can evolve, yet different snakes have different organs.
Do you mean something said about going about on the belly (Gen. 3:14)? Crocodiles also go about on the belly. They have legs.
You might try just reading what's written there.
16 May 08
Originally posted by jaywillYes. Snakes are also dust-feeders. Right?
What verse in Genesis refers to the legs of a snake one way or another?
Do you mean something said about going about on the belly [b](Gen. 3:14)? Crocodiles also go about on the belly. They have legs.
You might try just reading what's written there.[/b]
16 May 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou're point is logical and faith is the belief of something without being able to prove it logically. But, I'll give this a try. Your third sentence is not claimed by any Bible verse. The snake in Eden was really Satan, so tyhe actual animal and what its descendants looked like are debatable. Also, since God is omnipotent and can make a amn out of dust and sons of Abraham out of stones, it'd be a piece of cake for him to evolve some snakes with venom, others to be constrictors, etc.
I got an idea when discussing snakes in the Vatican aliens thread.
According to genesis, the reason why snakes don't have legs is because the first snake caused all our problems with sin etc.
So, that means that all snakes are descended from that first snake.
Considering the vast variety of snakes in the world today including not just many different sp ...[text shortened]... le Kelly has claimed that no new organ can evolve, yet different snakes have different organs.
17 May 08
Originally posted by jaywillThe passage says that for his transgressions the serpent was cursed and would therefore go about upon his belly. The obvious implication is that the serpent formerly did NOT go about upon his belly and therefore most likely had legs. Either that or he had wings (or some other means of locomotion which did not involve bellies) which he subsequently was deprived of. A crocodile (having legs) clearly does not go about upon his belly.
What verse in Genesis refers to the legs of a snake one way or another?
Do you mean something said about going about on the belly [b](Gen. 3:14)? Crocodiles also go about on the belly. They have legs.
You might try just reading what's written there.[/b]
17 May 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhere in Genesis does it say snakes ever had legs?
I got an idea when discussing snakes in the Vatican aliens thread.
According to genesis, the reason why snakes don't have legs is because the first snake caused all our problems with sin etc.
So, that means that all snakes are descended from that first snake.
Considering the vast variety of snakes in the world today including not just many different sp ...[text shortened]... le Kelly has claimed that no new organ can evolve, yet different snakes have different organs.
Ge 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
I've heard it said that the snake was able to move through the air before God cursed it to crawl on its belly.
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17 May 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadI expect most Christians accept the validity of evolution and interpret Genesis as an allegory.
I got an idea when discussing snakes in the Vatican aliens thread.
According to genesis, the reason why snakes don't have legs is because the first snake caused all our problems with sin etc.
So, that means that all snakes are descended from that first snake.
Considering the vast variety of snakes in the world today including not just many different sp ...[text shortened]... le Kelly has claimed that no new organ can evolve, yet different snakes have different organs.
17 May 08
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Originally posted by Conrau KI expect Christians to do a wide variety of idiotic things. Deny evolution. Pick and choose from the Bible. Not bother to read the Bible and so not be aware of inconsistencies. Crusade against the Muslims. Hang out in all-Christian gatherings discussing tea and praising the Lord every few minutes while avoiding any sort of dissent. Accept all religions as different paths to the same end, thus avoiding being responsible to any one religion's drawbacks or restrictions. Etc.
I expect most Christians accept the validity of evolution and interpret Genesis as an allegory.
Then there are the Christians who lose their faith and find reality.
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17 May 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungVery good. You have recognised that Christians vary in their beliefs.
I expect Christians to do a wide variety of idiotic things. Deny evolution. Pick and choose from the Bible. Not bother to read the Bible and so not be aware of inconsistencies. Crusade against the Muslims. Hang out in all-Christian gatherings discussing tea and praising the Lord every few minutes while avoiding any sort of dissent. Accept all re ...[text shortened]... or restrictions. Etc.
Then there are the Christians who lose their faith and find reality.
But it is still the case that mainstream Christian churches regard Genesis as allegorical.
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Originally posted by Conrau KDo any of them yet accept that Jesus rising from the dead is allegorical too? Or the walking on water, wine into water or feeding the 5000?
Very good. You have recognised that Christians vary in their beliefs.
But it is still the case that mainstream Christian churches regard Genesis as allegorical.