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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou did it through your own voilition. Gman was started as a youngster.
It seems that you are still not getting the point no matter how many times its reiterated. One does not tell someone, bribe someone, forcibly coerce someone, lie to someone to join a religious organisation like Jehovah's Witnesses, they need to want to do of their own volition. So I reject your claims, its self evident that you did not think about ...[text shortened]... I did so through my own volition. Its the best decision I ever made. I was received as family.
Either way my little man makes his own decisions...as I have posted before...
I will not block him if he wants to join. not my style..
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Originally posted by karoly aczelActually Christians are chosen. Peter speaking to the first century Christian congregation writes,
You did it through your own voilition. Gman was started as a youngster.
Either way my little man makes his own decisions...as I have posted before...
I will not block him if he wants to join. not my style..
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light - 1 Peter 2:9
John also records the words of the Christ,
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit--fruit that will last--and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. - John 15:16
Clearly according to the Bible Christians are chosen. Now what the full implications of this are I am not entirely sure but its quite interesting never the less.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSure, but the 'choice' goes both ways:
Actually Christians are chosen. Peter speaking to the first century Christian congregation writes,
[b]But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light - 1 Peter 2:9
John also rec ...[text shortened]... e full implications of this are I am not entirely sure but its quite interesting never the less.[/b]
'But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.' John 1:12
Originally posted by Ghost of a Dukewhat are you saying Ghost? That those who are chosen are those that chose to receive the Christ through their own volition?
Sure, but the 'choice' goes both ways:
'But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.' John 1:12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieA Christian must also 'choose' to believe, in order to become a child of God. I think John 1:12 is quite clear on this.
what are you saying Ghost? That those who are chosen are those that chose to receive the Christ through their own volition?
Edit: What else can I teach you?
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeNonsense I did not chose to believe I have always believed ever since I was a little kid. when I lost my pocket money I used to petition God, why me? and please help me find it.
A Christian must also 'choose' to believe, in order to become a child of God. I think John 1:12 is quite clear on this.
Edit: What else can I teach you?
Hmmm lets start with why you were not chosen? yet.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn which case sir, and with a heavy heart, I must tell you that as yet you are 'not' a Christian. Biblically speaking, a person through freewill must come to God of his own volition through active searching:
Nonsense I did not chose to believe I have always believed ever since I was a little kid. when I lost my pocket money I used to petition God, why me? and please help me find it.
Hmmm lets start with why you were not chosen? yet.
'And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.' Hebrews 11:6
In saying you have 'always believed in Him' negates your position as a child of God, as you have never sought Him out. (One would advise you immediately to abandon your faith and then actively seek him out, in essence 'choosing' to believe in His existence). It's like saying you were born a Middlesbrough supporter, rather than coming to the club true of heart.
And how do you know I was not Chosen by God, after all, God works in mysterious ways?
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Originally posted by Ghost of a Dukeau contrare the scripture substantiates my claim, I had faith, I was born with faith, I had enough faith to think that God could help me find my lost pocket money. I did not chose to have faith, it was intrinsic, innate and even now so many years later I cannot deny that it still exists.
In which case sir, and with a heavy heart, I must tell you that as yet you are 'not' a Christian. Biblically speaking, a person through freewill must come to God of his own volition through active searching:
'And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who ...[text shortened]... heart.
And how do you know I was not Chosen by God, after all, God works in mysterious ways?
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-Removed-"It's either the JW leadership way or disfellowshipment."
Sorry but your wrong, completely wrong. There are some who for whatever reasons have decided that being a JW is not for them or they just became inactive for reasons such as bad health, etc. The front door at the Kingdom Halls open both ways. If it's not for you, you may leave.
Perhaps you should actually listen and learn when these facts are explained to you or better yet ask us before you speak out and show just how little you do know?
You are a smart guy but you lose respect when you say things that are not factual.
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Originally posted by FMFLol. You ask me a question, then I answer it. Sorry if my answers are what I think they should be ( you know "opinion" is what this thread is about ) other wise my answers would look like this:
On the previous page, galveston75 said "I'll listen to others opinions. A secret to teaching, if that is your goal, is to be a good listener."
I guess we are seeing his "secret to teaching" in action.
get it?
-Removed-Really? You think you know it all don't you? If you want lets talk about the facts of the organization and see who knows more. No on second thought it would be a complete waist of my time as you've shown you know nothing at all on any level over the years about us.
Lol, if you actually did....you'd be one.