Originally posted by CalJustMy point was that it is impossible to compare the morals of one species to the next.
Just a thought - no sane human being would even keep a guinea pig, or a fly, and torture them for years on end (if they can be brought back to life after being killed).
Not to mention for ever and ever...
But god does that to people??
What you (and I) would call torture, this "god" might call punishment.
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Originally posted by Great King RatWrong.
My point was that it is impossible to compare the morals of one species to the next.
What you (and I) would call torture, this "god" might call punishment.
Morality is about how you treat other beings. Primarily but not exclusively sentient beings.
It is morally wrong for us to torture [say] a dog because that dog can experience suffering and
torturing that dog seriously negatively effects it's wellbeing.
The fact that a dog cannot [probably] make moral decisions of it's own, or conceptualise the
problem at all is irrelevant.
Christians are often so proud of their 'golden rule' that states that you should treat others as
you would wish yourself to be treated'.
This is wrong, You should treat people not as you would wish to be treated but as THEY would
wish to be treated. Rather than selfishly assume that everyone else in the world thinks and
feels as you do.
Once you realise this then it becomes obvious that the moral guide for determining whether
a gods [or any moral agents] actions toward us are moral or not is whether those actions
positively or negatively effect our wellbeing... Which we can objectively determine.
Whether something would be appropriate moral treatment for another god is irrelevant to determining
if it is appropriate moral treatment of humans.
Originally posted by Great King RatThat is probably because you guys do not have the mind of God.
My point was that it is impossible to compare the morals of one species to the next.
What you (and I) would call torture, this "god" might call punishment.
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
(1 Corinthians 2:11 NASB)
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Originally posted by SuzianneHow so?
You're a disgusting person if you think this has any similarity to reality.
Prison is the ultimate nanny state where everyone is equal and "safe".
Freedom is what brings about inequality. People make too much money and lve better than others when given freedom of choice.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeOK then, where are they at?
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" Samuel 15.3
What message did this send to the ancient world?
Oh, that's right, they are all gone. It's not like Islam's open season on infidels 24/7 till the end of time
Don't forget Sodom and the rest. 😉
Then came Jesus, who gave us a better world and commandments.
Atheists just love to ignore this fact.
-Removed-So when RJ said 'it depends' you are suggesting he meant 'it depends on who is carrying out the punishment' and not 'it depends on what they believe or not believe'?
What are your own beliefs about morality? Do you apply morality to God? If God were to act in a way you currently believe to be immoral, would you say 'God acted immorally' or would you say 'I am wrong about morality' or would you say 'my morality doesn't apply to God.'?
