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    06 Feb '07 03:31
    there is a God but who cares who it is? worship him and submit to him, a name doesnt matter whether he is the LORD or Allah
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    06 Feb '07 05:43
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    there is a God but who cares who it is? worship him and submit to him, a name doesnt matter whether he is the LORD or Allah
    Amen!
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    06 Feb '07 05:44
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    there is a God but who cares who it is? worship him and submit to him, a name doesnt matter whether he is the LORD or Allah
    why submit to him/her/it?
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    06 Feb '07 05:46
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    there is a God but who cares who it is? worship him and submit to him, a name doesnt matter whether he is the LORD or Allah
    Prove it.
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    06 Feb '07 05:47
    Originally posted by amannion
    why submit to him/her/it?
    because he has created you and you owe life to him, well him/her 😕
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    06 Feb '07 05:49
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Prove it.
    that would take too much effort, and i refuse to believe that the universe has ALWAYS been here, it doesnt seem likely. it seems even more unlikely that it just created itself with a big bang, i thought explosions destroyed, not created. to me it has to be a supernatural cause because no other explanation seems likely
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    06 Feb '07 05:54
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    because he has created you and you owe life to him, well him/her 😕
    Assume for a moment that I accept that I have been created by this god. So what? Why does that mean that I owe it anything?
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    06 Feb '07 05:57
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    that would take too much effort, and i refuse to believe that the universe has ALWAYS been here, it doesnt seem likely. it seems even more unlikely that it just created itself with a big bang, i thought explosions destroyed, not created. to me it has to be a supernatural cause because no other explanation seems likely
    So, you're not prepared to accept a natural explanation because it's too unlikely, but you're prepared to accept a supernatural explanation instead.
    Do you know much about the natural explanations? What about supernatural explanations - what do you know about them?
    It seems to me that you reject an explanation out of hand because it doesn't seem to work, and yet you accept another without any significant evidence. Or, am I mistaken here, and you do have significant evidence for a supernatural explanation?
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    06 Feb '07 06:00
    Originally posted by amannion
    Assume for a moment that I accept that I have been created by this god. So what? Why does that mean that I owe it anything?
    you wouldnt exist if it werent for God
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    06 Feb '07 06:01
    Originally posted by amannion
    So, you're not prepared to accept a natural explanation because it's too unlikely, but you're prepared to accept a supernatural explanation instead.
    Do you know much about the natural explanations? What about supernatural explanations - what do you know about them?
    It seems to me that you reject an explanation out of hand because it doesn't seem to work, ...[text shortened]... Or, am I mistaken here, and you do have significant evidence for a supernatural explanation?
    you are kind of right, personal experiences do not count as proof. and i think it is personal experiences that make me believe in God(s)
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    06 Feb '07 06:02
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    you wouldnt exist if it werent for God
    So what?
    If grass wasn't green I wouldn't be able to breathe. Does that mean I owe the colour green something?
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    06 Feb '07 06:03
    Originally posted by amannion
    So what?
    If grass wasn't green I wouldn't be able to breathe. Does that mean I owe the colour green something?
    you owe God for making it that way
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    06 Feb '07 06:05
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    you owe God for making it that way
    Why?
    I'm not trying to be facetious here or anything, but let's look at this another way around. By your argument, my own kids owe me something for creating them.
    But why? Why should they beholden to me simply because I took it upon myself to create them (or help create them anyway)?
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    06 Feb '07 06:07
    Originally posted by amannion
    Why?
    I'm not trying to be facetious here or anything, but let's look at this another way around. By your argument, my own kids owe me something for creating them.
    But why? Why should they beholden to me simply because I took it upon myself to create them (or help create them anyway)?
    you gave them life
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    06 Feb '07 06:12
    Originally posted by amannion
    Why?
    I'm not trying to be facetious here or anything, but let's look at this another way around. By your argument, my own kids owe me something for creating them.
    But why? Why should they beholden to me simply because I took it upon myself to create them (or help create them anyway)?
    i guess you could argue that it is a bad thing to have life if you are an emo or something, but at least they have the option to take it away themselves as opposed to never being born and never having the chance to live
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