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When an object moves into an empty space, space is still there where we behold the object. If no space, no object, MU!
Originally posted by SwissGambitYou observe correctly. Yes, it is no longer empty. Even our language indicates it as something still existent. "It" is no longer empty, "It" is filled. The object is in the space. The space it is occupying is still there, is it not?
If an object moves into an empty space, it is no longer empty.
Originally posted by TaomanI gather you have not heard of the Casimir effect? It has been proven a thousand times over what you think of as space, empty space is no such thing, but filled with energy on a fundamental basis where particles come into and out of existence on an extremely small time scale, close to the Planck limit if time, a slice of time something like 10^minus 35 second. It has been proven all you have to do to see that effect is to have to extremely smooth plates made of almost anything, steel, ceramic, plastic, whatever, just extremely smooth and placed extremely close together, there is a tiny force that will bring them even closer having nothing to do with electromagnetic, strong, weak, Van der Waals, gravitation, the normal forces we see every day. This is a physical force because on the outside walls of those plates, more particles come and go from existence than inside the plates so a tiny push is given from the outside surfaces that causes the plates to try to move together, again having nothing to do with electromagnetic force or any of the others we see all the time. They would tend to be forced together if they were totally neutral electrically and magnetically and a trillion miles from any mass in totally flat space. This is due strictly to particles coming into existence and flashing out of existence on an extremely small time scale and nothing else.
You observe correctly. Yes, it is no longer empty. Even our language indicates it as something still existent. "It" is no longer empty, "It" is filled. The object is in the space. The space it is occupying is still there, is it not?
Note that I did not say the space was empty when the object moved into it. Move your hand around, observe it - the space doe ...[text shortened]... eality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Albert Einstein.
Originally posted by sonhouseHi sonhouse, best to you and yours!
I gather you have not heard of the Casimir effect? It has been proven a thousand times over what you think of as space, empty space is no such thing, but filled with energy on a fundamental basis where particles come into and out of existence on an extremely small time scale, close to the Planck limit if time, a slice of time something like 10^minus 35 seco ...[text shortened]... is no such thing as empty space, it is already very full of a lot of different kinds of energy.
Originally posted by black beetleHere is a Wiki piece on the Casimir effect:
Hi sonhouse, best to you and yours!
We could probably agree that the quantum observables change over time according to Van der Waals force, and that all the Casimir effect is about is that with it we compute the Van der Waals force between the polarizable molecules of the metallic plates that are used in the experiment and not the vacuum (the so call ...[text shortened]... pies is existent and solely because We are able to observe it the way we decided to observe itπ΅
Originally posted by sonhouseEdit: "Do that often enough and you get a real physical pressure difference on the outside of the plates as on the inside. That is what I am talking about."
Here is a Wiki piece on the Casimir effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
Its kind of like if you shake up the surface of the water in a bathtub, some of the peaks will go right out of the tub but on the average you get only the force used by your hand that stirs up the surface. That is the principle of rogue waves on the real ocean wher ...[text shortened]... energy levels that can result in the formation of real particles but for a brief amount of time.
Originally posted by sonhouseI and others explain repeatedly the concept of emptiness in Buddhism is not a nihilistic absolutely no thing there at all. It refers to the ultimate difficulty of isolating anything by itself alone. In that sense it is empty of thingness, where every "thing" is only a "thing", right down to subatomic particles because of other things, forces, conditions etc.. This applies to all our mental imputations as well.
I gather you have not heard of the Casimir effect? It has been proven a thousand times over what you think of as space, empty space is no such thing, but filled with energy on a fundamental basis where particles come into and out of existence on an extremely small time scale, close to the Planck limit if time, a slice of time something like 10^minus 35 seco ...[text shortened]... is no such thing as empty space, it is already very full of a lot of different kinds of energy.
Originally posted by TaomanYou are welcome sir. The underpinnings of space, time, and matter are one of my more intense studies, not at any Phd level for sure but I follow the news on the subject. I leave that to my son in law, Gandhi, who HAS a Phd in physics. I also study the effects of gravitational lensing as it applies close to our sun. Most work on gravitational lensing is studies about Einstein Rings, where a distant galaxy focuses light from an even more distant galaxy, allowing a more detailed study of the further away galaxy than could have been done if the intervening galaxy had not been there.
I and others explain repeatedly the concept of emptiness in Buddhism is not a nihilistic absolutely no thing there at all. It refers to the ultimate difficulty of isolating anything by itself alone. In that sense it is empty of thingness, where every "thing" is only a "thing", right down to subatomic particles because of other things, forces, conditions etc.. ...[text shortened]... rs of a too simplistic view of things, especially space and emptiness. Thanks for that post.
Originally posted by sonhouseHere is a video from a man that you may be in agreement with:
You are welcome sir. The underpinnings of space, time, and matter are one of my more intense studies, not at any Phd level for sure but I follow the news on the subject. I leave that to my son in law, Gandhi, who HAS a Phd in physics. I also study the effects of gravitational lensing as it applies close to our sun. Most work on gravitational lensing is stud ...[text shortened]... , I am no good at art, only good at guitar and mandolin and such, drawing is a solid F with meπ