Originally posted by twhitehead
"This got me thinking: how many people here believe that anything spiritual is inherited. I know that many people believe 'original sin' is inherited and some are very specific having it inherited via the sperm."
In another thread checkbaiter says:
"Like the flood. If God had not acted, there would not have been a true bloodline to bring about the Messiah."
This got me thinking: how many people here believe that anything spiritual is inherited. I know that many people believe 'original sin' is inherited and some are very specific having it inherited via the sp ...[text shortened]... e Did David have special genes, or was it just because God promised David a reward or something?
I'm certain you would agree that man is genetically linked to the past. We have "inherited" our genetics. If there is more to us, like the spiritual, then it must also be inherited as well. Seems logical doesn't it? If that's true, and looking at it from the perspective of the whole, then we, the whole human race, are the recipients of our collective inheritance, both physically and spiritually.
"What about general guilt? If my father commits a crime, am I in any way partially responsible purely because I am descended from him?"
No. Each individual is accountable for his or her own guilt. That's not to say we don't experience some level of shame associated with our parents behaviors. The same as we "feel" shame over our children's missteps. Culpability is a complicated matter.
"What about group responsibility? Am I partially responsible for anything my ancestral group (the British / Europeans) did hundreds of years ago? Am I partially responsible for anything Zambia (my nationality) does now, despite my not having lived there for over 10 years? Is there anything spiritual about such responsibility relationships?"
Only if and when one is an active participant in atrocities committed by the whole group. Otherwise one's associations by national or ethnic origins doesn't make one guilty for crimes committed by one's ancestral relationships.
"Are the Jews special, and if so does descent matter ie if someone becomes Jewish by conversion are they equivalent to any other Jew?"
This is a bit more complicated. My understanding is like this; one is an Israelite by national origin, and a Hebrew by race, and a Jew according to religion. One can be an Israelite by birth or by application of citizenship and not be a Jew. Or one can be a Jew based on conversion and not be a Hebrew by race. And so on.
It is my understanding that Abraham became the progenitor of the Hebrew race and the father of "many nations". Later, with Moses did the Jewish "religion" and nation of Israel begin.
What made the "Jews" "special" was that they were the recipients of the oracles of God. That status remains, but now, since the resurrection of Jesus, all are accepted equally by God through the Son regardless of race or national origin.
"Did Jesus' ancestry matter other than it having been prophesied? ie Did David have special genes, or was it just because God promised David a reward or something?"
Jesus' genetic inheritance is in direct line from God. One of satan's plans of attack against the will of God was to disrupt the genetic code from Adam because he knew that God had promised a saviour through Adam's descendants. You know the story. Some angels had intermingled with the daughters of men in an attempt to destroy the blood line. It got so bad that God had to destroy the entire human race except for Noah and seven others. But not for that reason alone.
Angels, according to the Biblicall narrative, are exclusively male. They are not human. The introduction of angelic "seed" into the human race was an attempt by satan to outwit God. It failed. As did all his attempts to dethrone the only One qualified to be Lord. Jesus lives!