Starlight

Originally posted by sonhouse
Er, maybe you don't know the vernacular 'veggies' IE, vegetarian.
I was asking if the dinosaurs on the Ark were all vegetarian.

Maybe.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Maybe.

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so there were no meat eating dinosaurs on the Ark?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Because one definition makes sense and the other doesn't in the context of what you were saying. To me anyhow.

So I'm wrong because ... you don't agree with how I used it, so show me
how I was wrong. I'm asking, educate me.
Kelly

Originally posted by sonhouse
so there were no meat eating dinosaurs on the Ark?

I can only guess. I would exclude meat eating dinosaurs, if it was up to me.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
I can only guess. I would exclude meat eating dinosaurs, if it was up to me.

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Why are there no vegetarian dinosaurs left then? The world could use a few Triceratops.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Why are there no vegetarian dinosaurs left then? The world could use a few Triceratops.

This thread has to do with starlight and the age of the earth and universe. The extinction of Triceratops is of no importance to that issue. I have given video reference to expert testimony on the subject of the thread and all you are doing is trolling in an attempt to hijack the thread on to a different subject.

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Originally posted by Pianoman1
"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."

Richard Dawkins

Do you mean this Richard Dawkins?

YouTube

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Do you mean this Richard Dawkins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g

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So basically instead of giving a rebuttal you are just doing a personal attack, called Ad Hominem attack. "He is so crazy, whatever he says can't be true' kind of thing instead of tackling the issue head on. Typical.

Originally posted by KellyJay
So I'm wrong because ... you don't agree with how I used it, so show me
how I was wrong. I'm asking, educate me.
Kelly

Let's switch it round, you explain to me how you used that definition of faith in the context you did. If it makes sense I'll happily apologise and move on.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Let's switch it round, you explain to me how you used that definition of faith in the context you did. If it makes sense I'll happily apologise and move on.

No, lets not! You made a claim back it up. I wrote out what I wanted to
say, you made a claim, show me my error.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, lets not! You made a claim back it up. I wrote out what I wanted to
say, you made a claim, show me my error.
Kelly

Well what can I say. What you wrote makes no sense to me, I don't understand how you can use that definition of faith in the context that you did. If you don't wish to clarify so be it.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Well what can I say. What you wrote makes no sense to me, I don't understand how you can use that definition of faith in the context that you did. If you don't wish to clarify so be it.

Yea, okay sure, whatever you say. You made a claim, and you will not, or
cannot back it up.
Kelly

Originally posted by Suzianne
No, it is NOT.

Just saying what you are saying doesn't make it true.

If God were proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, and it was proven that it is the God of Abraham, and the entire Bible was therefore absolutely true, man would be a fool to not take the gift of salvation. Otherwise, he'd be wiped from the earth after death. Given a choice between ...[text shortened]... ) feel the same way you do. And that just makes me sad, whatever else you have to say about it.

given the choice between permanent death and eternal life I would pick death.

I don't think you comprehend 'eternity'.

I don't want to spend 5 minutes with your god, let alone eternity.


And again, free will means having the ability to choose.

It doesn't require that all options be equally attractive, or even possible.

I would like it if Faster Than Light Travel was possible, (and practical).
However it is exceedingly likely that the laws of physics say NO to FTL.

They also say that I can't jump off a tall building and just fly away.
If I stand at the top of a tall building looking out over the edge I have the
ability to chose whether or not to jump off.

The fact that jumping off likely means terror pain and death, doesn't mean
I don't have 'free will' in this situation to choose.



Your perpetual mistake... well one of them... is that you think that an eternity in heaven is
a good option.
No, more than that, you think it is the ultimately good option, that everything else is worse than.


I however view an eternity in heaven with your god as being equivalent an eternity in hell.

There is no version of me, that would not go insane, after an eternity of existence ANYWHERE.

I am perfectly happy envisioning existing for thousands, if not tens of thousands or millions of years
in this universe. Constantly changing and adapting and growing...
But that's still infinitely less time than eternity, And an eternity as little old me, all the while being
asked to suck up to your evil god.


I pick the other door every time.

Knowing god exists or not does absolutely nothing to damage free will.


Other things do but that's a different discussion.

Originally posted by Suzianne

Knowing that your god existed wouldn't make me worship it...
It would make me want to kill it.

Okay, I have to be honest here and say I do not know how to react to this other than to say that this just makes obvious the depths of your bias and ignorance about God. Maybe, just maybe, if I was this stupendously ignorant about God, and so bia ...[text shortened]... ) feel the same way you do. And that just makes me sad, whatever else you have to say about it.

Originally posted by Suzianne
"Knowing that your god existed wouldn't make me worship it...
It would make me want to kill it."
Okay, I have to be honest here and say I do not know how to react to this other than to say that this
just makes obvious the depths of your bias and ignorance about God. Maybe, just maybe, if I was this
stupendously ignorant about God, and so biased against him that I would forfeit my life just to flip him
the middle finger, then I might (might, mind you!) feel the same way you do. And that just makes me sad,
whatever else you have to say about it.

I am not 'biased' against your god.

I don't have a stake in another god, I don't have shares in atheism, I was not raised to hate
gods in general or your god in particular.

And as for what I 'know' about your god...

Well your god is a fictional being, i know only what YOU have said about it and what is said about
it in the bible.

And I have looked at what you say about your god, and I read about it in the bible, and conclude
that the fictional being (being described by you and the bible) is evil.


You say that god is going to come down (sometime soon) and cause Armageddon and destroy this world
and everyone in it who doesn't kiss gods ass enough...

That alone makes your god evil.


If you had a character in a film who was going to destroy the earth and kill everyone on it who didn't
worship them and take those few that measured up to their weird criteria as groupies who would
have to keep sucking up to that character for the rest of eternity...

Then you would call that character "The Bad Guy". You would think that they are evil.

And if they actually existed in real life you would do your damnedest to stop/kill them.



Your god doesn't get or deserve any special treatment.




Of course your Armageddon isn't coming, there is no god or afterlife and we don't have souls so this
is all hypothetical.

Originally posted by googlefudge
given the choice between permanent death and eternal life I would pick death.

I don't think you comprehend 'eternity'.

I don't want to spend 5 minutes with your god, let alone eternity.


And again, free will means having the ability to choose.

It doesn't require that all options be equally attractive, or even possible.

I would like it if ...[text shortened]... absolutely nothing to damage free will.


Other things do but that's a different discussion.

You seem to be confusing Satan with Christ. You should re-read the New Testament.

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