23 Jun '14 17:52>
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemYeah, but to get out of mine you have to claim something really ridiculous 'is god'.
You've already identified the problem with your own position. No matter what universal no-god argument you may make, they can get out of it if they change the definition of 'god'.
To which I respond that, I neither accept that as a reasonable suggestion for a member
of the set of all possible god concepts, and that no significant number of sane people
actually believe in and worship such a god.
If you can only get around my arguments by defining god to be a teapot then you have
already lost and just wont admit it.
Very few believe in actual real things as being 'gods'.
The most common is claiming 'the universe' is god.
To which I respond by asking whether there is something other than the physical universe
we see and can detect that they think makes up god, and whether they think that 'the universe'
has a mind.
If they answer no, then they have just relabelled 'the universe' as god, and I reject that on the
grounds that we already have a perfectly good term for the universe [the universe] and that
what they are calling 'god' is so far off of what people normally mean by the term that it's
no-longer a reasonable concept to attach to the label 'god'.
I mean sure, if you really want to call 'the universe' god then I can't, and wont try, to stop you,
but you are no longer using the word to mean the same thing as everyone else. And more to the
point, no member of the major religions can get out of this argument like this, because their god
concepts all qualify.
If they answer yes, then there is something they believe in that they have insufficient evidence
to justify believing in, and the argument holds.