Originally posted by @tom-wolseyI don’t think that’s a fair or accurate statement at all because we can know God exists, albeit not through carnal means. I think investigating and examining the evidence for Jesus Christ’s Resurrection can cause us to strongly consider the possibility, and then reading the Bible and praying can cause us to connect with God on a spiritual level (because God, after all, is a Spirit) which removes all doubt.
The "true" agnostic (with respect to Christianity specifically) claims something along these lines: "I don't make a claim for or against the existence of God because we couldn't possibly know, even if He did exist.
Is this a fair statement, before I proceed? Serious question.
We can know God exists, but we have to be willing to consider the possibility from a position of humility (realizing we don’t know everything or even a fraction of what there is to know) and to have an open mind and open heart.
Seek God in humility, sincerity and truth, and He will respond. (But don’t give up if He hasn’t responded in five minutes!)
Originally posted by @romans1009Sorry brother, but what I meant was.. is my statement a fair assessment of the pure agnostic position?
I don’t think that’s a fair or accurate statement at all because we can know God exists, albeit not through carnal means. I think investigating and examining the evidence for Jesus Christ’s Resurrection can cause us to strongly consider the possibility, and then reading the Bible and praying can cause us to connect with God on a spiritual level (because ...[text shortened]... rity and truth, and He will respond. (But don’t give up if He hasn’t responded in five minutes!)
Originally posted by @tom-wolseySorry for misunderstanding your question.
Sorry brother, but what I meant was.. is my statement a fair assessment of the pure agnostic position?
Knowing what you meant, I would say that is a fair reflection of an agnostic’s position.
Originally posted by @romans1009Ok so. The simple refutation is, if God does exist, then there is no reason whatsoever to conclude we can't know. If an omnipotent God exists, of course it's possible He could (and would) open lines of communication. Therefore, the agnostic, claiming we can't know, is wrong... if God exists. So in order for the agnostic not to make a self-contradictory claim, he/she can only allow for the nonexistence of God. And there goes the agnosticism, straight into strong Atheism.
Sorry for misunderstanding your question.
Knowing what you meant, I would say that is a fair reflection of an agnostic’s position.
So the agnostic "we can't know" claim forces the agnostic into an atheist. The safe position for an agnostic is to simply say "I personally don't know either way." Undecided. A fence sitter. And that's why atheist types avoid associating themselves with agnosticism. It's factually a position of ignorance.
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyCan you provide us with clear examples of where God has communicated with us? (other than what the bible claims)
If an omnipotent God exists, of course it's possible He could (and would) open lines of communication.
Most folks today who claim the lord has spoken to them get sent to the loonie bin.
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyThere are two flavors, or so I have read.
The "true" agnostic (with respect to Christianity specifically) claims something along these lines: "I don't make a claim for or against the existence of God because we couldn't possibly know, even if He did exist.
Is this a fair statement, before I proceed? Serious question.
We do not know.
We cannot know.
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyI am an Agnostic and, "I do not know if their exists a god or gods."
The "true" agnostic (with respect to Christianity specifically) claims something along these lines: "I don't make a claim for or against the existence of God because we couldn't possibly know, even if He did exist.
Is this a fair statement, before I proceed? Serious question.
Your capitalization of "god" and "he" is not something an Agnostic would do.
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Originally posted by @caissad4Would you agree that you don't know everything there is to know that that there may well be ample evidence for the existence of God that you are not aware of?
I am an Agnostic and, "I do not know if their exists a god or gods."
Your capitalization of "god" and "he" is not something an Agnostic would do.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerEnglish much be a third or fourth language for you. If you understood what I posted you would not ask such a silly question. Please re-read my post. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Would you agree that you don't know everything there is to know that that there may well be ample evidence for the existence of God that you are not aware of?
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeEnglish much be?
Splendid answer!
My day is off to a good start.
And “their” instead of “they’re?”
Yeah, clearly a case of psychological projection
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyOh, no, Brother; the Hulkster just dropped a big leg and pinned you.
Therefore, the agnostic, claiming we can't know, is wrong... if God exists.
It is possible that God exists and yet does so in a way that we, mere humans, cannot possibly be aware of such.
Originally posted by @caissad4Some might, out of respect for the Christian sensitivities.
I am an Agnostic and, "I do not know if their exists a god or gods."
Your capitalization of "god" and "he" is not something an Agnostic would do.