Originally posted by ivanhoeIf someone wants to directly answer the question, that's fine by me, though I would prefer them to give the reasons for their answer. If someone wants to discuss the issue involved before answering the question, that's fine by me, too. If someone wants to discuss the issue and never answer the question, that's fine by me too. Life is a journey not a destination and so is this thread.
Well, I hope you don't mind me asking Nemesio to answer the question.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou are so tolerant, marauder. You deserve everyone's admiration.
If someone wants to directly answer the question, that's fine by me, though I would prefer them to give the reasons for their answer. If someone wants to discuss the issue involved before answering the question, that's fine by me, too. If someone wants to discuss the issue and never answer the question, that's fine by me too. Life is a journey not a destination and so is this thread.
Originally posted by no1marauderTheir eternal destination is not determined through 'suicide'as it was murder.The murderers placed them in a situation where they had to take the best bets to save there lives...when all hope ran out of the building there best bet was to jump.Their intentions were not to kill themselves!
I was watching this show concerning the September 11th attacks and it brought up an interesting ethical question. I know that most mainstream Christians believe that those who commit suicide are automatically damned. In the aftermath of the planes crashing into the WTC, some people went out to the ledges of the buildings. As the fires approached them, th ...[text shortened]... e than the 88th floor, they knew it was suicide.
My question: are they eternally damned?
I'm sure as many come to Jesus in life threatning situations this would have been a day of celebration in Heaven as without that day some may have not made it through.
My answer to your absurd hypothectical question is suicide has nothing to do with their eternal destination.
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Originally posted by no1marauderYah....we open for disscusion now.The relevant question is here..Does the deaths of those in tt have a bearing on the eternal destination of those who caused it......Hmmmmmm...I'll go with YES!
If someone wants to directly answer the question, that's fine by me, though I would prefer them to give the reasons for their answer. If someone wants to discuss the issue involved before answering the question, that's fine by me, too. If someone wants to discuss the issue and never answer the question, that's fine by me too. Life is a journey not a destination and so is this thread.
Originally posted by windmillSince you refuse to accept the standard definition of suicide, it's not surprising you don't know what a hypothetical question is. Since the events actually happened, the only possible way my question could be hypothetical is if no one is eternally damned as all the other facts presented are a matter of public record.
Their eternal destination is not determined through 'suicide'as it was murder.The murderers placed them in a situation where they had to take the best bets to save there lives...when all hope ran out of the building there best bet was to jump.Their intentions were not to kill themselves!
...[text shortened]... your absurd hypothectical question is suicide has nothing to do with their eternal destination.
Originally posted by no1marauderIt's hypothetical because you assume it is suicde....That's absurd!!!
Since you refuse to accept the standard definition of suicide, it's not surprising you don't know what a hypothetical question is. Since the events actually happened, the only possible way my question could be hypothetical is if no one is eternally damned as all the other facts presented are a matter of public record.
Originally posted by ivanhoeHang on - are you saying the "inbuilt assumption" is the same one identified by Windmill?
You're absolutely right. The question has an inbuilt assumption. The assumption is absurd, ridiculous and extreme.
I thought you believed there was a different assumption in the question?
Originally posted by windmillYour refusal to accept that it was suicide is absurd as you are attempting to create your own definition to replace a standard one. You have also steadfastly refused to discuss other instances of suicide that differ in no meaningful way from the situation faced by the people on the ledges. Parrot away if you wish that it isn't suicide because you don't want it to be, but rational thought is what's expected here not shrill emotionalism.
It's hypothetical because you assume it is suicde....That's absurd!!!
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Originally posted by ivanhoeShow why the assumption that someone who jumps off the 90th floor of a building knowing it will cause their death is committing suicide is "absurd, ridiculous and extreme".
You're absolutely right. The question has an inbuilt assumption. The assumption is absurd, ridiculous and extreme.