02 Sep 14
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Originally posted by RBHILLI oppose the concept of "hate crimes". Punish people for what they do (or conspire to do) and not what they think. If "hate" is established as the motive for committing the crime, then so be it. But we should punish criminal acts and not thoughtcrimes.
In my city on the local news they showed that a catholic and Mormon church have been graffiti on twice the last two week. The news asked on a poll it the tag gets should be chargered with hate crimes. It was 79% yes and 21% no. What are your thoughts?
02 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFCommon ground, I agree with you.
I oppose the concept of "hate crimes". Punish people for what they do (or conspire to do) and not what they think. If "hate" is established as the motive for committing the crime, then so be it. But we should punish criminal acts and not thoughtcrimes.
Kelly
02 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFI agree, but there is a distinction between ordinary crime and crime committed because of hate, and I think that should be reflected in the punishment.
I oppose the concept of "hate crimes". Punish people for what they do (or conspire to do) and not what they think. If "hate" is established as the motive for committing the crime, then so be it. But we should punish criminal acts and not thoughtcrimes.
It's when laws are passed that punish a thought that's dangerous, and I don't think they've done that, yet.
02 Sep 14
Originally posted by josephwThey are working on it, expose someone to a different faith in some places
I agree, but there is a distinction between ordinary crime and crime committed because of hate, and I think that should be reflected in the punishment.
It's when laws are passed that punish a thought that's dangerous, and I don't think they've done that, yet.
in this country and you will be harming them in some way, or so they say.
Kelly
02 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFYou're not much of a social engineer then. 🙂 If we don't discourage hate as a motive for committing a crime, then we lose the culture. Racism is hatred, and when someone harms another based on race that one should suffer the consequences of a hate crime.
Well then we disagree.
Let them hate locked up for a while longer. Discourage the act caused by the hate.
Not saying laws should be made to regulate thought. That would be a crime in itself.
02 Sep 14
Originally posted by RBHILLIt's not good to think bad. But it's a personal choice, and personal choices, if no one is harmed, shouldn't be regulated by law.
I would say hate crime is a crime of thought probably. So it shouldn't be that crime they committed. Because they could've been high on marijuana and just done it to be funny.
Freedom of thought can only be changed by force by inflicting duress.
Fascism.
02 Sep 14
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Originally posted by josephwWe disagree then. We don't agree in any way whatsoever, it seems. What prompted you to say "I agree"?
If we don't discourage hate as a motive for committing a crime, then we lose the culture. Racism is hatred, and when someone harms another based on race that one should suffer the consequences of a hate crime.
02 Sep 14
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Originally posted by josephwIf I remember correctly the "hate crime" idea and laws began because of racial issues, not religious. The blacks wanted the whites committing crimes against them punished more, like members of the KKK.
I agree, but there is a distinction between ordinary crime and crime committed because of hate, and I think that should be reflected in the punishment.
It's when laws are passed that punish a thought that's dangerous, and I don't think they've done that, yet.
02 Sep 14
Originally posted by RBHILLDepends on the church and the nature of the graffiti I reckon. If it's one of those hideous modern affairs then a bit of colourful tagging would probably improve the aesthetics. I imagine Jesus would approve. Then again, if it's all swastikas and sweary then one might be forgiven for objecting.
In my city on the local news they showed that a catholic and Mormon church have been graffiti on twice the last two week. The news asked on a poll it the tag gets should be chargered with hate crimes. It was 79% yes and 21% no. What are your thoughts?