Thanks for a Wise Servant of God

I would like to thank God for such a wise servant of God in the Gospel whose book I would like to discuss.

Her name is Mary E. McDonough. And the book she wrote is called God's Plan of Redemption.

It was written for Bible teachers. Here Mary McDonough writes on the uncreated life of God.

GOD - THE CREATOR

"In the beginning God created," Call attention to the fact that God, the Creator, was not created; therefore we may speak of Him as Uncreated, in His Uncreated existence before Creation. Lead them to see that He was as perfect, as complete before Creation as after, the His creative acts did not add to His uncreated perfection.

Thankfully this wise teacher emphasizes that it is impossible that the Uncreated Life - God would create such a universe with no purpose.

"In the beginning God created the heaven (or heavens) and the earth," i.e., the universe. Suggest the thought of the impossibility of God's creating the universe without a definite purpose concerning each atom of the same."

@sonship said
I would like to thank God for such a wise servant of God in the Gospel whose book I would like to discuss.

Her name is Mary E. McDonough. And the book she wrote is called God's Plan of Redemption.

It was written for Bible teachers. Here Mary McDonough writes on the uncreated life of God.

[quote] GOD - THE CREATOR

"In the beginning God cre ...[text shortened]... Mcdonough, LSM publishers, pg. 2

Marvelous, don't you think?
Questions?
Serious discussion?

@Rajk999

Gods plan for the redemption of man as detailed by Jesus the Son of God, by Paul, by all the Apostles aint good enough for you. Gods word is not enough. You need Witness Lee and a whole tribe of writers to tell you what Jesus wants, and still you dont have it right.

@sonship said
Pretty proud and self centered of you.

Mary McDonough says something I agree with -

" - the fact that works of human hands is first carefully planned. Nothing worthwhile os fashioned apart from a plan- a pattern - a formula.

Enlarge upon the thought that God created the universe because He wished it created, and He created it as He wished it to be. (Read Rev. 4:11, last clause )

[quote] "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, for You have created all things, and because of Your will theuy were , and were created." (Rev. 4:11)

The typical reaction might be "But there are bad things in the world. There are bad things in the universe."

I mean tornadoes, disease, sickness, killer meteorites. "You're saying God created these bad things because they are a part of all things."

true, The Apostle John knew in his days that there were bad things. He knew just as much as modern man knows. Yet the apostle John was emphatic that not ONE THING came into being apart from the Logos through Whom all things were created.

How could he say this?

"All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not one thing came into being which has come into being." (John 1:3)

@FMF

Oh, the irony.

"That the first sentence is a simple, independent, all-conprehending axiom, to this effect: that matter, elementary or combined, aggregated only or organized, and dependent, sentient, and intellectual beings have not existed from eternity, either in self continuity or successuion, but had a beginning; that their beginning took place by the all-powerful will of one Being, the self-existent, independent, and infinite in all perfection; and that the date of that beginning is not made known."

@sonship said
@Rajk999

Gods plan for the redemption of man as detailed by Jesus the Son of God, by Paul, by all the Apostles aint good enough for you. Gods word is not enough. You need Witness Lee and a whole tribe of writers to tell you what Jesus wants, and still you dont have it right.

What's wronmg with finding other confirming voices?

Don't you see ...[text shortened]... rs are not allowed to because all they need is the Bible?

Pretty proud and self centered of you.

Here's an interesting observation. When Paul considers "all things" he does so in BOTH a beneficial aspect and an aspect of salvation FROM aspect.

This is a WIN-WIN situation for the Christian. Here we see Paul explaining how all things God saves us from and through AND how God causes all things to work together to for our benefit as believers.

This is incredible.

A. THE CHRISTIAN SAVED THROUGH ALL THINGS

"But in all things we more than conquer through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature shall be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Rom. 8:37-39)

"And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to the purpose." (Rom. 8:28)

"He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things?" (v.32)

"So then let no one baost in men; for all things are yours, Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours, and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's." (1 Cor. 3:21-23)

@sonship said
@FMF

Oh, the irony.

I'm not the one implying that no one else can say anything - the Bible is all that needs to be heard.

@FMF

I'm not the one implying that no one else can say anything - the Bible is all that needs to be heard.

After Mary McDonough speaks of the uncreated Creator creating the universe she speaks of the order of beings in creation.

She starts with the angelic life. The Bible shows the angels singing when God is creating the earth so we know angels came first.

ANGELIC LIFE

" ... the first created beings - the angels. They are unembodied (not disembodied) personal beings - superior to known laws of matter. They may appear in bodily form as many passages of Scripture prove. (See Num. 22:23; 1 Chron. 21:15-16, 18, 20, 27, Acts 12:7-10.) They possess great power and might (2 Pet. 2:11). They "excel in strength" (Psa. 103:20). "

"And around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the throne twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads." (Rev. 4:4)