Spirituality
24 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidFor as long as I've been here, there have been Christians talking about murderers and rapists and Nazis etc. going to "Heaven" if they accept Jesus as their "Lord and Saviour" on their death beds.
How can it be heaven if someone who murdered someone and the one they murdered are both there?
24 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidWhenever you riff on this topic, it's always about "murderers" being tortured for eternity and not about people who simply aren't members of your religion. It's a bit tabloid of you.
How can it be heaven if someone who murdered someone and the one they murdered are both there?
24 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidIs the answer … because all humans are all evil and deserving of eternal torture, but a “few” Christians are exempt, as long as they don’t lose their golden ticket before they die?
Is it right some can be in heaven while others are in hell?
How can it be heaven if someone who murdered someone and the one they murdered are both there?
How can anyone enjoy heaven when there are people in hell for whatever they did?
@kellyjay said3 Answers
Is it right some can be in heaven while others are in hell?
How can it be heaven if someone who murdered someone and the one they murdered are both there?
How can anyone enjoy heaven when there are people in hell for whatever they did?
- the bible says no such thing. Please quote the verse where it says .. .. some can be in heaven while others are in hell?
- you do not understand what 'heaven ' is about.
- where in the bible is it said that those in 'heaven', know who are in hell, or those in heaven know who are also in heaven?
24 Jun 22
@divegeester saidThe question in the OP is, is it right that those who do wrong to others (pick any crime) and those who suffered due to those crimes both end up in heaven?
Is the answer … because all humans are all evil and deserving of eternal torture, but a “few” Christians are exempt, as long as they don’t lose their golden ticket before they die?
Next question is it right that there who did crimes are in heaven while others maybe even victims of those in heaven be in hell?
24 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidIs "heaven", in your thought exercise, some kind of communal place where everyone is aware of who else is there and aware of who didn't 'end up' there?
Next question is it right that there who did crimes are in heaven while others maybe even victims of those in heaven be in hell?
24 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidDoes your stance that it just doesn't make sense unless there is cosmic justice help you rationalize and cope with the injustices or impunity you see around you in the world during your lifetime?
Is it right some can be in heaven while others are in hell?
25 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidYour scenario presumes that there is a place called hell where one group of people are tortured for eternity by the same loving saviour who is simultaneously in a place of ultimate joy with another group of people who are all aware of what the loving saviour is simultaneously doing to the first group.
The question in the OP is, is it right that those who do wrong to others (pick any crime) and those who suffered due to those crimes both end up in heaven?
Next question is it right that there who did crimes are in heaven while others maybe even victims of those in heaven be in hell?
Clearly the scenario is a nonsensical paradox and therefore your questions about it are also nonsensical.
25 Jun 22
@divegeester saidAs I told you if the Word of God speaks to a topic our opinions don’t matter.
Your scenario presumes that there is a place called hell where one group of people are tortured for eternity by the same loving saviour who is simultaneously in a place of ultimate joy with another group of people who are all aware of what the loving saviour is simultaneously doing to the first group.
Clearly the scenario is a nonsensical paradox and therefore your questions about it are also nonsensical.