1. Standard memberRajk999
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    26 Jul '15 16:42
    I came across this incredibly twisted interpretation of the Bible from Checkbaiter.

    He says that the teachings and doctrine of Christ do not apply now because of the Administration of Grace, and ..Today a Christian can turn from God and live lawlessly and selfishly without his everlasting life being in jeopardy

    WHAT ??!! CHRISTIANS CAN SIN ALL THEY WANT WITHOUT LOSING HIS ETERNAL LIFE??!!

    LICENCE TO SIN DOCTRINE REARS IT UGLY HEAD.. ... DISGUSTING.

    So the first issue is that the words and commandments of Christ had an expiry date. Christ did not seem to know that.. Neither any of the Apostles becuase they never said that.

    In fact all the Apostles supported the doctrine of Christ. Here is just one of dozens:

    .. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:18-21)

    NOTE THE WORDING - IF YOU FOLLOW AFTER THE FLESH YOU WILL NOT GET ETERNAL LIFE.

    Apparently none of the Apostles know of this Administration of Grace business. Maybe Checkbaiter should inform them about it !
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    26 Jul '15 17:45
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I came across this incredibly twisted interpretation of the Bible from Checkbaiter.

    He says that the teachings and doctrine of Christ do not apply now because of the Administration of Grace, and ..Today a Christian can turn from God and live lawlessly and selfishly without his everlasting life being in jeopardy

    WHAT ??!! CHRISTIANS CAN SIN ALL TH ...[text shortened]... stles know of this Administration of Grace business. Maybe Checkbaiter should inform them about it !
    If and when any believer in Christ disagrees with the opinion, stated point of view or belief of any other person there is no justification whatsoever revealed within the Word of God for publically engaging in personal attack: doing so reflects spiritual immaturity.
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    26 Jul '15 17:55
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    If and when any believer in Christ disagrees with the opinion, stated point of view or belief of any other person there is no justification whatsoever revealed within the Word of God for publically engaging in personal attack: doing so reflects spiritual immaturity.
    Where is the personal attack? Checkbaiter made a public statement so Im addressing it publicly. Or maybe its just that you cannot defend this foolish doctrine so you rather it stay hushhush ?

    Obviously you are another one that believes in the 'licence to sin' doctrine, and you think that God and Christ are idiots. You think you can make a mockery of the doctrine of Christ and escape.... Read this:

    Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Gal 6:7-8)

    Paul is addressing the SAINTS AT GALATIA... these were all Christians.
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    26 Jul '15 18:08
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    If and when any believer in Christ disagrees with the opinion, stated point of view or belief of any other person there is no justification whatsoever revealed within the Word of God for publically engaging in personal attack: doing so reflects spiritual immaturity.
    Let's see:

    You publicly rebuke RAJK999 for publicly rebuking Checkbaiter.

    You say that "doing so reflects spiritual immaturity".

    Do you consider your post to be a reflection of your "spiritual immaturity"?
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    26 Jul '15 18:12
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I came across this incredibly twisted interpretation of the Bible from Checkbaiter.

    He says that the teachings and doctrine of Christ do not apply now because of the Administration of Grace, and ..Today a Christian can turn from God and live lawlessly and selfishly without his everlasting life being in jeopardy

    WHAT ??!! CHRISTIANS CAN SIN ALL ...[text shortened]... s know of this Administration of Grace business. Maybe Checkbaiter should inform them about it !
    You are confusing the concept of "easy believism" with eternal security.

    Easy believism is an idea that has no scriptural basis. The idea that one can sin freely because of God's grace is an illusion. It doesn't exist except as an idea in the mind of someone that doesn't understand eternal security.

    Eternal security is a fact of the salvation which God has graciously given free of charge. This salvation was earned for us by God's own Son Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. It is a complete salvation. Once one has the gift of eternal life they can never lose it, sin notwithstanding.

    Grace is not a license to sin. Only an idiot would believe that. Checkbaiter isn't an idiot.

    You only want to argue.
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    26 Jul '15 18:37
    Originally posted by josephw
    You are confusing the concept of "easy believism" with eternal security.

    Easy believism is an idea that has no scriptural basis. The idea that one can sin freely because of God's grace is an illusion. It doesn't exist except as an idea in the mind of someone that doesn't understand eternal security.

    Eternal security is a fact of the salvation which God ...[text shortened]... o sin. Only an idiot would believe that. Checkbaiter isn't an idiot.

    You only want to argue.
    Well said.
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    26 Jul '15 18:40
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Let's see:

    You publicly rebuke RAJK999 for publicly rebuking Checkbaiter.

    You say that "doing so reflects spiritual immaturity".

    Do you consider your post to be a reflection of your "spiritual immaturity"?
    The reply is in full alignment with passages within the Word of God. Would you like to see a few of them here and now?
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    26 Jul '15 18:431 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Where is the personal attack? Checkbaiter made a public statement so Im addressing it publicly. Or maybe its just that you cannot defend this foolish doctrine so you rather it stay hushhush ?

    Obviously you are another one that believes in the 'licence to sin' doctrine, and you think that God and Christ are idiots. You think you can make a mockery of the d ...[text shortened]... sting. (Gal 6:7-8)[/i]

    Paul is addressing the SAINTS AT GALATIA... these were all Christians.
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    "Where is the personal attack?"

    Please read your words again while simultaneously remembering your own emotional reactions at the time you typed them.

    Edit Note: Personal sin is not an issue for unbelievers; for believers, applying 1John 1:9 for restoration of fellowship is God's provision.
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    26 Jul '15 19:09
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    The reply is in full alignment with passages within the Word of God. Would you like to see a few of them here and now?
    Why are you disingenuously pretending that you do not understand the question and its implications?

    You have publicly rebuked Rajk999 for publicly rebuking Checkbaiter.

    Does your public rebuke of Rajk999 "reflect spiritual immaturity" just as you claim Rajk999's public rebuke of Checkbaiter does?

    While you're at it, does your pretense "reflect spiritual maturity" or "spiritual immaturity"?
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    26 Jul '15 19:23
    Originally posted by josephw
    You are confusing the concept of "easy believism" with eternal security.

    Easy believism is an idea that has no scriptural basis. The idea that one can sin freely because of God's grace is an illusion. It doesn't exist except as an idea in the mind of someone that doesn't understand eternal security.

    Eternal security is a fact of the salvation which God ...[text shortened]... o sin. Only an idiot would believe that. Checkbaiter isn't an idiot.

    You only want to argue.
    Maybe I have misinterpreted this statement then:
    Today a Christian can turn from God and live lawlessly and selfishly without his everlasting life being in jeopardy
    What does it mean if not a licence to sin or if you wish, sin without the consequence of loss of eternal life.

    Please explain.
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    26 Jul '15 19:25
    Originally posted by josephw
    You are confusing the concept of "easy believism" with eternal security.

    Easy believism is an idea that has no scriptural basis. The idea that one can sin freely because of God's grace is an illusion. It doesn't exist except as an idea in the mind of someone that doesn't understand eternal security.

    Eternal security is a fact of the salvation which God ...[text shortened]... o sin. Only an idiot would believe that. Checkbaiter isn't an idiot.

    You only want to argue.
    This statement you made is not in the Bible

    Once one has the gift of eternal life they can never lose it, sin notwithstanding.

    If it is please provide the reference.
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    26 Jul '15 19:34
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    This statement you made is not in the Bible

    Once one has the gift of eternal life they can never lose it, sin notwithstanding.

    If it is please provide the reference.
    That is because you may not have a good understanding of the bible, so I took the liberty of showing you this, so you can educate yourself....

    Different administrations have different rules

    Christians need to understand the wonderful gift of holy spirit that God has given to us and appreciate the grace we have. We also need to understand why God called the very time in which we live “…the administration of the grace of God…” (Eph. 3:2-Darby Translation-DHB). Why is this age, the age of the Christian Church, singled out by God to be called the administration of “grace”? To understand this, we must understand the uniqueness of the Church and see the difference between what we have today and what God gave to people at other times and other ages.

    Throughout history, God has changed the “rules” by which He wants men to live. Every student of the Bible realizes this to one degree or another. For example, before the Church started in Acts 2, God required animal sacrifice, but now He no longer does. Even a cursory study of Scripture shows that God has “administered” the people of earth differently at different times, and so many theologians call the time period covered by a given set of rules an “administration” or “dispensation.” [1] The systematic theology that recognizes these different administrations or dispensations is referred to as “Dispensationalism.” [2]

    Examples of God changing the rules from administration to administration abound. In the Garden of Eden, God told Adam and Eve to eat plants only (Gen. 1:29), but after the Flood, God changed the rules and allowed man to eat meat also (Gen. 9:3), and He still allows us to eat meat today. Another clear example concerns the Sabbath. Before the Mosaic Law, there was no specific law concerning the Sabbath. When God gave the Law to Moses, He changed the rules, and commanded that anyone who worked on the Sabbath should be put to death (Exod. 31:14). Today, in the Administration of Grace, God has changed the rules again, and it is not a sin to work on the Sabbath (Rom. 14:5; Col. 2:16 and 17). Of course, it is still a good idea to take a day of rest.

    Another clear example of God changing the rules from administration to administration involves the rules concerning marriage. Before the Mosaic Law, God allowed men to marry a sister or other close relative. Abraham, for example, married Sarah, his half sister (Gen. 20:12). A man could also have more than one wife in those days. God changed the rules when He gave the Law to Moses, and forbade marrying a half-sister (Lev. 18:9) or other close relative (Lev. 18 and 20), but He still allowed a man to have more than one wife. [3] In the Administration of Grace in which we live today, God has changed the marriage regulations again. Today He forbids polygamy, saying that each man is to have his “own” wife and each woman her “own” husband (1 Cor. 7:2).


    To read the whole article, go here...
    http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/the-administration-of-the-sacred-secret
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    26 Jul '15 20:00
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    That is because you may not have a good understanding of the bible, so I took the liberty of showing you this, so you can educate yourself....

    [quote]Different administrations have different rules

    Christians need to understand the wonderful gift of holy spirit that God has given to us and appreciate the grace we have. We also need to understand why ...[text shortened]... le, go here...
    http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/the-administration-of-the-sacred-secret
    I repeat .. this statement is not in the Bible:

    Once one has the gift of eternal life they can never lose it, sin notwithstanding.

    If you cannot provide a reference then just be man enough to say so.

    If fact the opposite is in the Bible with examples eg Judas Iscariot. All the Apostles condemned the sinful Christian the same way Christ did so there is no departure from Christ.
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    26 Jul '15 20:051 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    "Where is the personal attack?"

    Please read your words again while simultaneously remembering your own emotional reactions at the time you typed them.

    Edit Note: Personal sin is not an issue for unbelievers; for believers, applying 1John 1:9 for restoration of fellowship is God's provision.
    I repeat, please show me what you refer to as a personal attack.

    Your reference says this:

    1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    Did you read the word IF? IF you confess your sins? There is a condition to getting forgiveness. It is up to the Christian TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT and ask with a contrite heart so that God will forgive. The statement Checkbaiter made is in error.

    Today a Christian can turn from God and live lawlessly and selfishly without his everlasting life being in jeopardy

    It is not in the Bible.
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    26 Jul '15 21:44
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I repeat .. this statement is not in the Bible:

    [b]Once one has the gift of eternal life they can never lose it, sin notwithstanding.


    If you cannot provide a reference then just be man enough to say so.

    If fact the opposite is in the Bible with examples eg Judas Iscariot. All the Apostles condemned the sinful Christian the same way Christ did so there is no departure from Christ.[/b]
    Rom 11:29-30
    29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
    NKJV

    1 John 3:9
    for His seed remains in him;
    NKJV
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