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If everything requires a cause, what was the cause of god? If god does not require a cause and has always been here, then why can't the universe have always been here also?
Originally posted by 667joeThere's no logical reason per se why the Universe might not be eternal. The only problem is that there are a number of things about the Universe that make it look unlikely that it is. Decaying energy / heat , the Big bang (suggestive of a beginning) etc.
If everything requires a cause, what was the cause of god? If god does not require a cause and has always been here, then why can't the universe have always been here also?
Originally posted by 667joeAnything that is immaterial does not need a beginning, such as logic and reason. God is immaterial so He does not need a beginning. The universe is material, so it needs a beginning.
You have avoided the problem. If every thing requires a beginning, how did god get here?
Originally posted by SharpeMother"Anything that is immaterial does not need a beginning,.."
Anything that is immaterial does not need a beginning, such as logic and reason. God is immaterial so He does not need a beginning. The universe is material, so it needs a beginning.
God and the universe are not the same things, so we cannot ask the same questions of two things that are different in the first place.
Originally posted by josephwHow does a god define itself?
You don't.
If there is a God, as defined by Himself, then He has no beginning.
Originally posted by josephwOk, so some things that are immaterial have a beginning, I guess like our souls as well... but not all things that are immaterial need to have had a beginning, would you agree? Because if everything needs a beginning then so does God. But not everything needs a beginning.
[b]"Anything that is immaterial does not need a beginning,.."
That's not entirely true. The angels are spirit beings that are made of immaterial stuff. I think.[/b]
Originally posted by SharpeMotherLogic requires no beginning? That's a strange thought.
Anything that is immaterial does not need a beginning, such as logic and reason. God is immaterial so He does not need a beginning. The universe is material, so it needs a beginning.
God and the universe are not the same things, so we cannot ask the same questions of two things that are different in the first place.
Originally posted by amannion"How does a god define itself?"
How does a god define itself?
All we have to go by is the written accounts of people from the past, and the eyewitness accounts of people who claim to have experienced god in some way.
That's not enough - at least, as presented, it's not enough.
Where's the verifiable proof that god exists and has no beginning?
Originally posted by amannionImmaterial things prove the existence (or at the very least the possibility of the existence) of God.
How does a god define itself?
All we have to go by is the written accounts of people from the past, and the eyewitness accounts of people who claim to have experienced god in some way.
That's not enough - at least, as presented, it's not enough.
Where's the verifiable proof that god exists and has no beginning?