11 Apr '08 19:21>1 edit
Originally posted by ZahlanziRe free-will: see my post to twhitehead on why I don’t think there is necessarily a free-will issue here.
oh yeah sorry.
i am a theist and i don't think that 1-5 are absolutely correct.
1 is tricky. how does god being omniscient affect my free will? well if there is only one possible timeline then god cannot possibly be omniscient and we retain free will. so there is either one possible timeline and god is not omniscient and we make our future one second n every moment. our responsibility. our merit if it goes well, our fault if it goes bad
Re omnipotence: your counter says that God cannot act in ways that are logically contradictory. I would ask if God’s omnipotence is limited in any other ways. But, yes, if God is not omnipotent with regard to the ability to create any (logically consistent) worlds, then the conclusion (6) does not necessarily follow. (This inference is really just another variation of Euthyphro’s dilemma.)
The argument was not about fault, but capability. However, if humanity is able to upset God’s intentions (will), the God is clearly not omnipotent.
simple. god decided that free will is more important than to make us mindless drones capable of only a finite amount of actions.
(a) God did create us with only a finite amount of actions, and a finite consciousness. These facts limit our range of choices, even if we freely choose from among the available options. If murder were simply not an option in our choice-set, that would no more violate our free-will than does my inability (as a male) to become pregnant.
(b) I think you risk walking into the same trap here that you saw me walking into: Is a world with free-will and child torture a better world than one without free-will but no child torture? How many children can one contemplate being tortured while still holding such a view?
Nevertheless, my position is that the inference is not about free-will at all, but what existential constraints would be included in some “best of all possible worlds”.
Once again, if you are willing to relax God’s omnipotence, I will not argue. (That was the choice made by rabbi Harold Kushner in his book When Bad Things Happen To Good People, exploring Euthyphro’s dilemma in the context of the Book of Job.