Originally posted by whodey
You may find contradictions but I do not as I have addressed the supposide contradictions that has been claimed in the Bible. I think you will agree that it is far easier to find contradictions in writings that you are either unfamiliar with or fundamentally disagree with in general. In fact, contradictions are often manufactured in such instances.
As fa ...[text shortened]... uscript in which to refer to in order to prove that the Bible of today has been tampered with.
We have discussed many points. They are all still open. I don't think we will reach a conclusion this way.
Any way..
You may find contradictions but I do not as I have addressed the supposide contradictions that has been claimed in the Bible. I think you will agree that it is far easier to find contradictions in writings that you are either unfamiliar with or fundamentally disagree with in general. In fact, contradictions are often manufactured in such instances.
I told you before contradictions is not the only problem. The real problem is that you don't know the narration chain of the Bible. There are more than 4000 years between you and the Torah first releaved. Do you exactly how each chapter reached you through this 4000 years or more? Can you grant me that this is the same one inspired by GOD? How can you be sure?
The other problems are:
1- There are many contradictions. You may argue with me in some of them. But the list is very long. But I will asume that I'm not familier of the Bible,
2- The Bible assume things for GOD that are logicaly not accepted. The GOD in the Bible sleep , lack power, lack knowlage, beaten in a fight, his creature force him to do what they want, and can do things aganist his power. Do you think these things are accepted to GOD? Do you think that GOD will say that about himself?
3- The Bible accuse almost every Prophet of adultry, and immorality. Which can't be accepted for prophets. I can argue with you in this point if you don't agree.
4- Some parts of the Bible has no use, and can't be a source of any value or morality. Example I remember now the "The Songs of Solmon".
5- There are some parts of the Bible clearly delare that they are written by humans like the four Gospels.
And many more.......
Do you think I'm wrong?
As far as the difference in the Quran to that of the Bible, what do you see are the major theological differences? A different name for God perhaps? I understand your objection that Chrsit died for our sins because you only accept him as a mere prophet, but what are the other major differences?
There are many major differences:
1- The most important one for you is the trinity and Jesus. And you mentioned that already.
a- In the Bible Jesus is GOD (althougth you didn't prove it yet), in Quran he is a man and prophet.
b- In the Bible Jesus crossified, died and raised after 3 days. In Quran he is not crossified. He was raised to GOD.
c- In the Bible there is Christianity. In Quran there is no Christianity.
d- Related to this point: In the Bible, GOD didn't know that Adam will sin, he did punish him and send him to earth. The story appears in the Bible that if Adam didn't sin, he would have stayed in heaven for ever. We carry the sin of Adam (I don't know if you managed to prove this)
In Quran GOD created Adam to live on earth. He was created in heaven. God knew he was going to sin, it was a test for Adam. Adam ask forgiveness and he is forgiven.
2- The GOD in Quran is not like anything else, but in the Bible he is viewed as a person.
3- The GOD in Quran is powerful, has every attribute of perfection. But in the Bible he is week, sleep, regret his action, and his knowlage is limited.
4- Quran focuse on the purpose of human life to be worship. In Bible the purpose is unclear. Christians belive it is love, Jewish belive they are the choosen nation and GOD is only for them.
5- Quran introduce a complete and valid life system for human. Every muslim follow this system now with no problem, while there is no specific one in the Bible. And the one exists no one follow it, because it is not practical.
There are other differences. But I think this is enough.
Is it your view that God has merely given up on the Jews and is now focused on the descendants of Ishmael instead of the descendants of Isaac?
Islam is not limited to a specific nation or race. It is a universal Message. You will not find your claim in the Quran. For me Both are prophets. The only difference is the Prophet Muhammed is from Ishmael branch. but that has nothing to do with the message.
My other question is what evidence do you have that Mohammad accuratly represented the men of God in the Bible other than the arguement that Mohammad says so? What ancient manuscript, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, indicate that the Bible has been "corrupted". I would assume you have an older manuscript in which to refer to in order to prove that the Bible of today has been tampered with.
I didn't understand this question, but we talked about the Dead see scrolls before , and I told that not all the Bible found in the Scrolls, and there some errors found in them. Besides how can you say that the Dead See Scrolls are the original? They are a copy written by hand, you cann't verify it itself.
I don't have an older one neither do you. Although you belive in untrusted souce but I don't.