@vivify saidYou quoted, "...and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop,"
The version I used was the NIV, one of the most widely used versions. Also, what about God cursing a woman's womb in Deuteronomy, resulting in the death of that life? You can nitpick all you want, God clearly has no qualms harming the unborn, whether through a curse or other means.
[b]So, if you were to read the entire chapter you would learn that it actually has nothing ...[text shortened]... oman's unborn child. The life of an unborn clearly isn't as "precious" to God as Christian's claim.
The NIV says, ".., her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry,.."
Your understanding is slanted by your bias. Your perspective is skewed by unbelief.
God created everything that exists. God can destroy everything that exists.
Marriage is the bedrock institution the underscores all human relationships. By God's design. When one commits adultery it is a direct affront to God. No one gets away with it. Not even men.
Some things in the Old Testament are difficult to reconcile with given the fact that it was written three thousand years ago in an environment where men did as they pleased and women were second class chattel owned and controlled.
We think we're more civilized than that, but we're not. Much the same things still exists today. It's never going to change. Not as long as mankind runs the show.
Can you imagine the embarrassment and humiliation the husband must have experienced after it was learned that his wife was faithful and the baby was his? I bet he moved to Babylon to escape the jeers from his neighbors. Jealousy is a cruel master.
-Removed-God is sovereign.
Try to imagine that.
Since reading the Bible is too big a strain on you I grabbed this short synopsis out of the encyclopedia Britannica. It's just a thumbnail sketch.
"Amalekite, member of an ancient nomadic tribe, or collection of tribes, described in the Old Testament as relentless enemies of Israel, even though they were closely related to Ephraim, one of the 12 tribes of Israel. The district over which they ranged was south of Judah and probably extended into northern Arabia. The Amalekites harassed the Hebrews during their Exodus from Egypt and attacked them at Rephidim near Mount Sinai, where they were defeated by Joshua. They were among the nomadic raiders defeated by Gideon and were condemned to annihilation by Samuel. Their final defeat occurred in the time of Hezekiah."
@vivify saidGod can kill every living thing on the planet. Can you?
In other words, it's okay for God to kill an unborn for adultery, but a woman can't get an abortion if she was raped.
Great logic.
Is it the baby's fault that his mother was raped?
Murderers and rapists and child sexual predators should be tried, convicted and summarily executed.
@vivify saidI don't need to scramble anywhere.
God through the prophet Isaiah, Isaiah 13;21 (King James version):
17 “Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, who shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children..
Let's see Joseph scramble to the Hebrew version.
Is your head in the sand? Have you read the headlines lately? Why are you so worried over what the Bible says?
Look around at what's going on in the world today. Are things less atrocious today than three thousand years ago?
Everything that has happened and is happening was foretold to be. Is that God's fault? Use your head vivify. Whatever it is you think you find egregiously bad in the Bible, the reality of the real world around you today is ten thousand times worse.
@rajk999 saidLOL ! What is the Biblical penalty for a man who injures a woman causing her to miscarry ? ( As decreed by your god )
Numbers 16:20-28, in the KJV Bible says
And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation? And the LORD spake unto Moses, sayi ...[text shortened]... e own mind.
(Numbers 16:20-28 KJV)
Maybe you might want to check your facts before posting.
@suzianne saidDo you mean just the woman's body, or do you include the baby's body?
This question is more drama-inducing pap.
The more important and interesting question is: Do you think that, regardless when life begins, women should retain an unrestrained, legal sovereignty over their own physical bodies?
It's not about when "life begins". It's about not allowing outside control over one's own person.
@josephw saidMeaning what? That it's okay when God does something Christians claim is evil?
God can kill every living thing on the planet. Can you?
Is it the baby's fault that his mother was raped?
Was it the unborn's fault that the mother committed adultery? Or that it was cursed for disobedience in Deuteronomy?
Your position becomes less consistent the more you post.
@josephw saidChristians, as they've done for centuries, are making people's lives worse, most recently with banning abortion, and using the Bible as justification for it. Their Bible doesn't mention anything about banning such practices; in fact, God has actually used the killing of the unborn himself.
Is your head in the sand? Have you read the headlines lately? Why are you so worried over what the Bible says?
So why am I worried that Christians are yet again making the world worse and using the Bible as justification for it, just like they did with slavery? Figure it out.
@vivify saidWell then, I guess according to your perspective, the only viable solution is to kill the Christian God.
Christians, as they've done for centuries, are making people's lives worse, most recently with banning abortion, and using the Bible as justification for it. Their Bible doesn't mention anything about banning such practices; in fact, God has actually used the killing of the unborn himself.
So why am I worried that Christians are yet again making the world worse and using the Bible as justification for it, just like they did with slavery? Figure it out.
BTW, abortion hasn't been banned. I wonder how much more misinformation you base your reasoning on.
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@josephw saidWrong.
When one commits adultery it is a direct affront to God. No one gets away with it. Not even men.
Men were *only* punished for sex with another man's wife; no punishment if a married man had sex with an unmarried woman. Otherwise, only women were stoned for premarital or extramarital sex.
Can you imagine the embarrassment and humiliation the husband must have experienced after it was learned that his wife was faithful and the baby was his?
So that made it okay to kill the unborn? Then do you support abortion in cases of adultery?
You're also ignoring that adultery wasn't the only reason God cursed an unborn; you repeatedly dodged the fact that God threatened death to the unborn for "disobedience".
@vivify saidVivify....very convenient to say the Bible does not mention abortion. Jesus. The constitution doesn't, either. But you rail on about rights or some such crap when there is nothing about it in the constitution .
Christians, as they've done for centuries, are making people's lives worse, most recently with banning abortion, and using the Bible as justification for it. Their Bible doesn't mention anything about banning such practices; in fact, God has actually used the killing of the unborn himself.
So why am I worried that Christians are yet again making the world worse and using the Bible as justification for it, just like they did with slavery? Figure it out.
What is the deal with your lot? And now you are on the Christians !?!?!?!?!?? I've had to hire another secretary to catalog all of the postions of your lot.