Numbers 16:20 - 28 details the Bible's treatment of women under suspicion of adultery. Women were take a "bitter poison" known to kill a fetus; if the woman cheated on her husband, a "curse" would activate, killing the fetus.
That sounds exactly like abortion if a woman gets pregnant by a man she doesn't want a child with.
Numbers 16:27: "When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop,"
Clearly, God doesn't think it's wrong to abort a pregnancy.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68 lays out an extensive list of curses for "disobedience". Among them, verse 18 of that chapter:
"The fruit of your womb will be cursed"
What does a "cursed" womb entail? Verse 53:
"you will eat the fruit of the womb".
So where on earth to Christians get the idea that the Bible is against against abortion? Not once in the entire Bible is there anything barring the practice of abortion; the exact opposite is true.
Not that religious conservatives in America ever actually cared about the Bible; they make policies benefiting the rich and they despise the poor...the *polar opposite* of Jesus.
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08 May 22
@vivify saidKellyJay, sonship, SecondSon/Josephw and most of the other Christians here believe it is their version of God’s perfect justice to supernaturally keep alive and burn for eternity billions upon billions of non Christians. So I hardly think the odd foetus being aborted is going stir their souls that much.
Numbers 16:20 - 28 details the Bible's treatment of women under suspicion of adultery. Women were take a "bitter poison" known to kill a fetus; if the woman cheated on her husband, a "curse" would activate, killing the fetus.
That sounds exactly like abortion if a woman gets pregnant by a man she doesn't want a child with.
Numbers 16:27: [i]"When he has made her dri ...[text shortened]... e; they make policies benefiting the rich and they despise the poor...the *polar opposite* of Jesus.
It’s more of a political issue for the US than anything else.
@vivify saidNumbers 16:20-28, in the KJV Bible says
Numbers 16:20 - 28 details the Bible's treatment of women under suspicion of adultery. Women were take a "bitter poison" known to kill a fetus; if the woman cheated on her husband, a "curse" would activate, killing the fetus.
That sounds exactly like abortion if a woman gets pregnant by a man she doesn't want a child with.
Numbers 16:27: [i]"When he has made her dri ...[text shortened]... e; they make policies benefiting the rich and they despise the poor...the *polar opposite* of Jesus.
And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation? And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get you up from about the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram. And Moses rose up and went unto Dathan and Abiram; and the elders of Israel followed him. And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins. So they gat up from the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, on every side: and Dathan and Abiram came out, and stood in the door of their tents, and their wives, and their sons, and their little children. And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
(Numbers 16:20-28 KJV)
Maybe you might want to check your facts before posting.
08 May 22
@vivify saidOk. I take no side in the abortion issue. Im just looking at the difference in the overall impression of the bible v the impression you give in this thread. The bible in the Numbers 5 reference addresses the matter of adultery.
Sorry, Numbers 5:16-22. I mistakenly listed verse 16 as chapter 16.
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; (Numbers 5:11-13 KJV)
You are using the bible to support abortion the same way people use the bible to support homosexuality.
08 May 22
@vivify saidVerse 27 doesn't say "her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop".
Numbers 16:20 - 28 details the Bible's treatment of women under suspicion of adultery. Women were take a "bitter poison" known to kill a fetus; if the woman cheated on her husband, a "curse" would activate, killing the fetus.
That sounds exactly like abortion if a woman gets pregnant by a man she doesn't want a child with.
Numbers 16:27: [i]"When he has made her dri ...[text shortened]... e; they make policies benefiting the rich and they despise the poor...the *polar opposite* of Jesus.
08 May 22
@josephw said1) You can't make a claim like that with no evidence. Your argument is flawed.
A corrupt mistranslation.
Your premise is flawed.
2) You deliberately ignored where God clearly threatens to "curse" a woman's womb, resulting in death. That's a fallacy by omission.
Learn the logic you pretend to understand before using it.
08 May 22
@vivify saidYou quoted from a corrupt translation. One that supports your narrative and agenda.
1) You can't make a claim like that with no evidence. Your argument is flawed.
2) You deliberately ignored where God clearly threatens to "curse" a woman's womb, resulting in death. That's a fallacy by omission.
Learn the logic you pretend to understand before using it.
Learn to be honest before you pretend to tell the truth.
09 May 22
@vivify saidBut you provided the evidence.
You can't make a claim like that with no evidence. Your argument is flawed.
You claim, and infer an interpretation that God approves abortion with a single verse from a translation you didn't name.
I looked up the verse in five different translations. The NIV says "miscarry", the CSB says "womb will shrivel", the others say "belly will swell".
The direct Hebrew words and their meanings from that portion of verse 27 are as follows:
mayim > the water
'ārar > that causeth the curse
[and become]
mar > bitter
ṣāḇâ > and shall swell
beṭen > her belly
nāp̄al > and shall rot
yārēḵ > her thigh
So, if you were to read the entire chapter you would learn that it actually has nothing to do with abortion at all, and your attempt to impose an interpretation that doesn't exist into the narrative speaks volumes with regards to your exegetical impotence.
I'll give you this much though, the practice of scraping dust off the floor and mixing it with water and making a pregnant woman drink it, and if the baby isn't her husband's, and it causes a miscarriage, isn't remotely close to the barbarism of abortion practiced in this day and age. Flat out murder.