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@sonship said
Did anyone notice if FMF answered this question?

If there are no supernatural causes then aside from material causes what other kinds of causes are there?
I did answer it.

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@sonship said
Is nature responsible for the laws of nature ?
In other words was it within nature that the laws of nature emerged into existence ?
The "laws of nature" are simply a description of how natural phenomena work in so far as humans are able to study them and understand them.

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@FMF

I didn't ask you.
I asked anyone else besides you.

Wait and see what anyone else says.

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@FMF

The "laws of nature" are simply a description of how natural phenomena work in so far as humans are able to study them and understand them.


How do you KNOW that that is ALL they are ?

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@sonship said
@FMF

I didn't ask you.
I asked anyone else besides you.

Wait and see what anyone else says.
You are suggesting that I did not address your question when I did. You've done this several times on this thread already.

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@sonship said
@FMF

The "laws of nature" are simply a description of how natural phenomena work in so far as humans are able to study them and understand them.


How do you KNOW that that is ALL they are ?
That is what they are as far as I know.

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@FMF

That is what they are as far as I know.


Do you know the name of the person who invented the game of chess?

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@FMF

You are suggesting that I did not address your question when I did. You've done this several times on this thread already.


You are suggesting that you did answer my question when I want to ask if anyone else agrees that you did. You're suggesting that I need not ask IYO. I have every right to.

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@sonship said
You are suggesting that you did answer my question when I want to ask if anyone else agrees that you did. You're suggesting that I need not ask IYO. I have every right to.
Yes. Page 9.

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@sonship said
@FMF

That is what they are as far as I know.


Do you know the name of the person who invented the game of chess?
The Christian God figure?

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@FMF

While it makes for the best evidence that creator-worship religions have got, and not only yours, the complexity of the universe is "a scientific disclosure" ~ one that continues to expand and deepen ~ that religious traditions extrapolate unprovable mythologies from.


Is everything unprovable "mythology" ?
Is all "mythology" void of any truthfulness?

Why do not all secular historians regard many details of the life of Jesus of Nazareth as mythology?

What is the scientific experiment that you would devise to demonstrate that the scientific method informs us of truth - without using circular reasoning ?

If the fine calibration of many constants of the universe to exquisite precision a religious tradition or knowledge from the discipline of science ?

So if dignity is derived from our cultural and religious traditions only then it is not really real but kind of illusionary?
I mean, apart from many religious traditions, you really have NO inherent human dignity in all reality?

You just have the cultural effect of a sociological phenomenon which kind of serves the purpose but at bottom is only a religio / sociological effect?

Ie. At bottom, without the psychological side effect of religious traditions, there is no real human dignity.

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@sonship said
Is everything unprovable "mythology" ?
Is all "mythology" void of any truthfulness?
I find the mythology you subscribe to to be not provable and not believable.

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@sonship said
So if dignity is derived from our cultural and religious traditions only then it is not really real but kind of illusionary?
I mean, apart from many religious traditions, you really have NO inherent human dignity in all reality?
Religious traditions are just part of it. Dignity is related to morality. Morality has a very real and pragmatic function. It is not "illusory". The effect of religious beliefs on morality, compassion, dignity, empathy etc. is not "illusory" even if the [belief in] supernatural causality that underpins those very real norms and values is "illusory".

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@sonship said
Why do not all secular historians regard many details of the life of Jesus of Nazareth as mythology?
Presumably for the reasons they put forward in the books and papers they write.

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@sonship said
What is the scientific experiment that you would devise to demonstrate that the scientific method informs us of truth - without using circular reasoning ?
I don't know.