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-Removed-Please read the posts by FMF.
I was replying to his opinion that the writers of the Bible may have, at times, lied about the real facts.
Edit: it would be refreshing dive if you read, and replied, to FMF's posts on this forum. Especially the ones that clearly contradict your beliefs, instead of debating the poster who merely replied to them.
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Paul did contradict Jesus quite a bit though, didn't he?
Paul was among the most faithful pioneering servants of Jesus, trail blazing the way for us into the experience of the resurrected Christ and His teaching.
I would say no contradictions exist between the Lord and His apostle.
Give me your two or three strongest examples of where you believe Christ and Paul are in contradiction.
@chaney3 saidI said an awful lot more than 'the writers may have lied', as you well know. Clearly, what I DID say doesn't hold any water, in terms of what their faith tells them, to those who believe that the account of Jesus' life is divinely inspired.
Please read the posts by FMF.
I was replying to his opinion that the writers of the Bible may have, at times, lied about the real facts.
@chaney3 saidYes. That's the narrative "we" have. It's up to you as to whether it is divinely inspired. If it is, and if it is true, then so be it.
The narrative we have instead is Pilate finding Jesus not guilty of any crime, and quite puzzled why the Jews are so persistent in getting Jesus convicted.
@fmf saidWhat I got from your posts is that you think the REAL story is that Jesus was crucified due to sedition, yet the Bible doesn't support that theory, but instead, a version was fabricated decades later by writers with their own agenda. (Basically that men made up their own version, and it's not God inspired at all)
I said an awful lot more than 'the writers may have lied', as you well know. Clearly, what I DID say doesn't hold any water, in terms of what their faith tells them, to those who believe that the account of Jesus' life is divinely inspired.
If I am wrong about what you said, please correct me.
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@chaney3 saidWell, I am not a Christian so you'll just have to try and deduce for yourself what that means viz a viz my perspective on the "version" of Jesus propagated by Christians. I have no convincing reason to believe it is real. If you don't understand what not being a Christian means, then there's nothing much I can do.
What I got from your posts is that you think the REAL story is that Jesus was crucified due to sedition, yet the Bible doesn't support that theory, but instead, a version was fabricated decades later by writers with their own agenda. (Basically that men made up their own version, and it's not God inspired at all)
@fmf saidI get it.
Just read what I posted. I write pretty well and really clearly. If you just don't get it, so be it.
You don't believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God. Therefore, you say Jesus was convicted of sedition, despite Pilate (and Rome) finding Jesus guilty of nothing.
You have no proof of sedition, in the same way you feel that the Bible offers no proof either.
So we're left with a mystery then.
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When the Jews sought to make Jesus a king by force He refused.
This is an interesting attempt at sedition.
"The people therefore, seeing the sign which He did, said, This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.
Then Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him King, withdrew again to the mountain alone." (John 6:14,15)
How come He didn't respond "At last they are making me a king. This is what I have been waiting for" ?
@chaney3 saidAssuming there was a single person [and not a composite figure created decades after his death for the purposes of establishing a cult of personality] who was executed ~ specifically by way of crucifixion, not some other method ~ for stirring up the local populace and the local compliant-with-the-Empire leaders ~ specifically by the Roman authorities, at that time in history ~ then that is as near as one is going to get ~ in what amounts to little more than a thought exercise because nobody has hard proof of any of this ~ to evidence that his execution was because of sedition.
You have no proof of sedition, in the same way you feel that the Bible offers no proof either.
@sonship saidI recently put up a long list of contradictions. If you poke around a bit you'll find it.
Give me your two or three strongest examples of where you believe Christ and Paul are in contradiction.