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Spirituality

  1. 10 Sep '18 16:18
    it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.

    it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.

    since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
  2. 10 Sep '18 17:01
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.

    it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.

    since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
    Why stop there? Why not just bypass the fall altogether?
  3. 10 Sep '18 17:36 / 1 edit
    in christian thought the fall was necessary in order for the gift of free will to be exercised. without free will man would be a robot.

    heavenly father wanted to feel love so heavenly father created free will so that another entity might choose to love heavenly father.

    free will though is subject to another of heavenly father's creation, ego.

    lucifer had free will and ego and elevated ego over love of the father.

    would man do the same ?

    adam was the test.

    my original query though still stands
  4. 10 Sep '18 23:12
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    in christian thought the fall was necessary in order for the gift of free will to be exercised. without free will man would be a robot.

    heavenly father wanted to feel love so heavenly father created free will so that another entity might choose to love heavenly father.

    free will though is subject to another of heavenly father's creation, ego.
    ...[text shortened]... ather.

    would man do the same ?

    adam was the test.

    my original query though still stands
    So the issue for you is why the large passage of time.

    To us it's large, not to God.
  5. 10 Sep '18 23:33
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.

    it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.

    since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
    Not a bad idea, actually.
    If Jesus had saved Adam and Eve, then all of the later death and destruction handed out by God in the OT would not have been necessary.
  6. 11 Sep '18 13:35
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.

    it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.

    since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
    Because then we wouldn't have the story of redemption and all that it entails.

    There's a much greater picture depicted in the Bible than just man's salvation.

    You can read about it in the Bible. Open your mind, and your heart.
  7. 13 Sep '18 03:49
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.

    it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.

    since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
    It is an interesting question.

    The basis for all of this, though, is that Christ does not come solely to provide atonement in the most minimal form.

    He came to transform the world and to bring the Graces of God into the world, and that is part of the great sacrifice for the atonement of mankind.

    We know from many different Bible passages that salvation, rationality, and God's love extends to people who are beyond the scope of the nation of Israel and who lived in ignorance. While it is far less than ideal to depend on mercy coming from outside of the Covenant, it is not absolutely essential for there to be reconition of the atonement for salvation.

    So, one of the answers to your riddle is just viewing Christ's Sacrifice as also something meant to bring graces in addition to salvation.

    Generally speaking, in Christianity, the most important thing to remember is that it is meant to always have a holistic understanding of the content, and to not try to isolate single aspects of it and remove it from the framework of the whole.
  8. 14 Sep '18 17:24
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So the issue for you is why the large passage of time.

    To us it's large, not to God.
    this is off topic. But Whodey im impressed. never thought i would hear something like that from you. cool
  9. 15 Sep '18 07:57
    Originally posted by @pudgenik
    this is off topic. But Whodey im impressed. never thought i would hear something like that from you. cool
    Interesting, an insult, a compliment and a misconception all in one.
  10. 15 Sep '18 07:58
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.

    it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.

    since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
    If God is sovereign then why have suffering at all?
  11. 15 Sep '18 08:01
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    So, one of the answers to your riddle is just viewing Christ's Sacrifice as also something meant to bring graces in addition to salvation.
    Why are you calling the OP a riddle? It’s not a riddle, is it, so why call it one.
  12. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    15 Sep '18 08:03
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    If God is sovereign then why have suffering at all?
    Free will, tiger. God gave His creation free will.
  13. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    15 Sep '18 08:06
    Originally posted by @mister-moggy
    it is a given in the ot that the christ was the creater of creation and existed before creation and is part of the truine god theory.

    it is given that the christ mission was to atone for the sins of man thru death and resurrection, etc.

    since adam was the only man alive after creation and adam sinned why did not the christ go thru the atonement to save "all mankind" at that time ?.
    Who was supposed to write the Holy Bible and memorialize God’s message to mankind?
  14. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    15 Sep '18 10:34 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    If God is sovereign then why have suffering at all?
    ALL of man's suffering is caused by man, not God.
  15. 15 Sep '18 10:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    ALL of man's suffering is caused by man, not God.
    Natural disasters?