08 Nov 06
Originally posted by Kevin McfarlandIf you're able to get your mind around this, you're ahead of about 98% of the folks who haunt this forum...
If God made everything even than angles than did God put in the devil that he would go against God. Did God doom the devil to Hell? Thanks Kevin
...the free will of man and angels co-exist with the sovereignty of God.
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHDo you consider yourself within that 98% or the minority 2%?
If you're able to get your mind around this, you're ahead of about 98% of the folks who haunt this forum...
...the free will of man and angels co-exist with the sovereignty of God.
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHBut, given that he is omniscient, god knew that Lucifer would rebel. In which case Lucifer did not have free will as it was already preordained.
If you're able to get your mind around this, you're ahead of about 98% of the folks who haunt this forum...
...the free will of man and angels co-exist with the sovereignty of God.
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHwhere in the bible does it say or even point that free will of man and angels co-exist? from what I can tell God was around before angels and for sure man. Now if u mean that we have a free will and can do anything we want and that God just knows the end from the begininng than yes I understand that. but I am talking about that before satan ever fell or rebeld he had to have evil come from some where? This is a real question that I have and help with it and input would be gratefull hope I explained it ok.
If you're able to get your mind around this, you're ahead of about 98% of the folks who haunt this forum...
...the free will of man and angels co-exist with the sovereignty of God.
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by sugiezdA distinction exists between preordained and foreknown. Thus, the co-existence of (possibly antithetical) free wills. To be sure, it's not an easy concept to understand, but once understood the picture begins to make a heckuva lot more sense.
But, given that he is omniscient, god knew that Lucifer would rebel. In which case Lucifer did not have free will as it was already preordained.
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by Kevin McfarlandDoctrine is compiled from all of Scripture: here a little, there a little. While we would love to have all information in encyclopedic delineation (which is more akin to contemporary understanding of order of knowledge), God did not see fit to mete out doctrine according to such an outline.
where in the bible does it say or even point that free will of man and angels co-exist? from what I can tell God was around before angels and for sure man. Now if u mean that we have a free will and can do anything we want and that God just knows the end from the begininng than yes I understand that. but I am talking about that before satan ever fell ...[text shortened]... real question that I have and help with it and input would be gratefull hope I explained it ok.
He allows the chaff to grow among the wheat.
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHOr you could take my option - there is no God.
A distinction exists between preordained and foreknown. Thus, the co-existence of (possibly antithetical) free wills. To be sure, it's not an easy concept to understand, but once understood the picture begins to make a heckuva lot more sense.
Now that makes sense!
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI am known as being a disagreeable prick, but I'm sure we could agree on something Freaky.
But--- as Kevin said in his opening question--- if. I say yes, you say no. I say stay, you say go. You say goodbye when I say hello.
And I don't actually recall that being in the opening question.
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by amannionFrom the original post:
I am known as being a disagreeable prick, but I'm sure we could agree on something Freaky.
And I don't actually recall that being in the opening question.
"If God made everything..."
I am known as being a disagreeable prick...
Straining... every... ounce... of... strength...
08 Nov 06
Originally posted by Kevin McfarlandThe same weight is found for both arguments: none. God no more made Lucifer decide as he did than Satan can make you decide one way or another. Everyone decides for themselves, influenced perhaps, but not forced.
am i making my question clear to understand? the idea pepole blame the devil can the devil blame God. taken with my other posts I hope u understand my question. Thanks Kevin