1. Standard memberWulebgr
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    04 Aug '15 16:23
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    God told us through the inspired prophet Moses that he created and made it all in six days.
    The Bible, like all ancient poetry, revels in metaphor. Come to think of it, that's true of modern poetry, too. It is even true of writing that eschews metaphor, such as history.

    In your myth of the six days, the 24 hour day was not there at the beginning.

    Peoples in the Arctic also have this myth of the separation of light and dark, only for them the separation does not produce day and night, but rather summer and winter.


    If you think about it, the Bible is more likely to offer truth if you do not impose layers of anti-scientific, anti-historical, and anti-literary interpretations over the top.


    Your notion of Satan, which owes more to the poetry of Dante than to that of Moses or Paul, may help explain the roots of these nefarious layers of interpretation that you put forth that conceal the truths of the Bible, offering instead absurd nonsense.
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    04 Aug '15 16:23
    Originally posted by KellyJay

    With respect to curdled milk all of that can be done right in front of us, in our life time.
    With respect to the distant past, no matter who you believe, it is a matter of belief.
    With respect, belief doesn't come into it. It's about overwhelming and irrefutable evidence.
  3. Standard memberWulebgr
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    04 Aug '15 16:34
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    It is the same thing, you cannot say this points to an old earth unless you come up with the idea "this points to an old earth."
    I wonder if there is any possibility that your literalism is a human invention. After all, it was unknown among the neolithic peoples who preserved the earliest myths concerning how they began to farm that is now perpetrated through the Bible.

    The so-called curse of Adam is a true story concerning the beginnings of human agriculture. Modern nutritional science is revealing that it was indeed a curse. Paleolithic humans had a healthier diet when they weren't starving.


    [I am not advocating the so-called paleo-diets as they all seem to presume that the Columbian Exchange took place more than ten thousand years ago. No one outside the South and Central America were eating tomatoes prior to 400 years ago, for example.]
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    04 Aug '15 16:561 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    It is the same thing, you cannot say this points to an old earth unless you come up with
    the idea "this points to an old earth." It has been pointed out the way scripture portrays
    the event as supernatural which leaves everyone as a take it or leave it. The earth is just
    there and for someone to suggest this type of layer means that much time goes by, t ...[text shortened]... fe time.
    With respect to the distant past, no matter who you believe, it is a matter of belief.
    Let's go back to stalactites. Knowing that they grow at a rate of 10 centimeters every 10,000 years, is it reasonable to conclude that an 8 foot long stalactite took 240,000 years to form?
  5. Standard memberRJHinds
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    04 Aug '15 17:071 edit
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    The Bible, like all ancient poetry, revels in metaphor. Come to think of it, that's true of modern poetry, too. It is even true of writing that eschews metaphor, such as history.

    In your myth of the six days, the 24 hour day was not there at the beginning.

    Peoples in the Arctic also have this myth of the separation of light and dark, only for them the ...[text shortened]... ation that you put forth that conceal the truths of the Bible, offering instead absurd nonsense.
    Some of the Holy Bible is poetry, but Genesis chapter one is clearly written as history not in the Hebrew poetry style.

    There are many myths and distortions of the creation and the beginnings, but the Holy Spirit inspired Moses to write the true history of the physical creation here in Genesis chapter one.

    On the very first day when God said, "Let there be light" the earth was already rotating to mark a 24 hour day. Holy Scripture clearly says,
    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    (Genesis 1:5 KJV)
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    04 Aug '15 17:151 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    Let's go back to stalactites. Knowing that they grow at a rate of 10 centimeters every 10,000 years, is it reasonable to conclude that an 8 foot long stalactite took 240,000 years to form?
    Fast growing Stalactites

    YouTube

    How Fast Do Stalactites Grow?

    YouTube
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    04 Aug '15 17:42
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Fast growing Stalactites

    [youtube]Pnx8KdRVegw[/youtube]

    How Fast Do Stalactites Grow?

    [youtube]kYKNYSXRNME[/youtube]
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD250.html

    "The fast-growing stalactites form via processes very different from calcium carbonate stalactites found in limestone caves."

    Given that I've been talking about cave-growing stalactites, the question still stands.
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    05 Aug '15 01:03
    Originally posted by vivify
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD250.html

    "The fast-growing stalactites form via processes very different from calcium carbonate stalactites found in limestone caves."

    Given that I've been talking about cave-growing stalactites, the question still stands.
    Don't worry, he'll come up with a video he thinks will exactly answer that.
  9. Standard memberWulebgr
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    05 Aug '15 01:05
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    [b]Some of the Holy Bible is poetry, but Genesis chapter one is clearly written as history not in the Hebrew poetry style.

    There are many myths and distortions of the creation and the beginnings, but the Holy Spirit inspired Moses to write the true history of the physical creation here in Genesis chapter one[/quote]
    It resembles a lot of ancient poetry in its structure and themes. What is your basis for this "clearly written as history"?

    Can you point to any ancient texts that were written as history the way you see Genesis? Your reading of Genesis as history is anachronistic on several levels.
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    05 Aug '15 04:37
    Originally posted by vivify
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD250.html

    "The fast-growing stalactites form via processes very different from calcium carbonate stalactites found in limestone caves."

    Given that I've been talking about cave-growing stalactites, the question still stands.
    No it doesn't. 😏
  11. Standard memberRJHinds
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    05 Aug '15 04:42
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    It resembles a lot of ancient poetry in its structure and themes. What is your basis for this "clearly written as history"?

    Can you point to any ancient texts that were written as history the way you see Genesis? Your reading of Genesis as history is anachronistic on several levels.
    Poetry in the Holy Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and sometimes reveals true facts of the past and prophecies of the future. So to dismiss it as mere poetry is being condescending to God.
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    05 Aug '15 04:491 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Don't worry, he'll come up with a video he thinks will exactly answer that.
    Yes indead.

    How Fast Do Stalactites Grow?

    YouTube

    The Near Genius 😏
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    05 Aug '15 11:552 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Yes indead.

    How Fast Do Stalactites Grow?

    [youtube]kYKNYSXRNME[/youtube]

    The Near Genius 😏
    I have an idea. Let's put all the young Earth creationists on their own planet and come back a thousand years later and see which planet is doing better, Earth or the Creation state.

    Hinds, when was the last time you had an actual original thought? One that did not involve a bogus video?

    You should try these pills:

    http://healthymaglife.com/brain/cnn/v2/femalemil-cogniq-alert.php

    Your IQ could go up as high as 120.......
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    05 Aug '15 12:111 edit
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    With respect, belief doesn't come into it. It's about overwhelming and irrefutable evidence.
    The problem you have is, if the universe was created nothing about your evidence will be
    either overwhelming or irrefutable. You think you know how it started so you think you know
    what it all means while you look at it. If your wrong, all bets are off, so yes you have faith.

    Thank you for your tone too, refreshing....not that you were not nice before either!
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    05 Aug '15 12:12
    Originally posted by vivify
    Let's go back to stalactites. Knowing that they grow at a rate of 10 centimeters every 10,000 years, is it reasonable to conclude that an 8 foot long stalactite took 240,000 years to form?
    I've not been around for 10K to know you are right about that, so I guess I have to take that
    on faith.
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