The evolution of the Coca Cola can

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11 May '16 16:41

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11 May '16 20:16
Originally posted by JS357
Dude, the design argument was covered several semesters ago.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/design/#H3

The relatively sweet banana that we eat is one of a number of bananas/plantains. Read up on the sweet banana (Cavendish) and you will find that it did not exist as a commercial product before 1836 when it was cultivated by a gardener. It did not become mass pro ...[text shortened]... from a different fungus.

It is hard to ascribe much intelligence to such a state of affairs.
What was the banana before man caused it to become a banana?
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11 May '16 20:30
Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
No. Atheists are by nature extremely objective.

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11 May '16 21:22
Originally posted by lemon lime
What was the banana before man caused it to become a banana?
I gave the links. Or you could Google it yourself.
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11 May '16 21:25
Originally posted by JS357
The relatively sweet banana that we eat is one of a number of bananas/plantains.
In Livingstone we had several different varieties. One farmer even had some that had seeds in.
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11 May '16 21:39
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Has non-slip surface
A slip surface would be more amazing.

Now someone explain to me who designed:
1. The coconut. Really hard to open, and when you do, all the juice pours out on the ground.
2. Pineapples. Really prickly beasts.
3. Bitter Almonds. They have cyanide in and can kill you.
4. Cherries. Their pips contain hydrogen cyanide, a poison.
5. Apples. The seeds are poisonous.

And there are many more examples. And that's just fruit.
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11 May '16 22:46
Originally posted by lemon lime
What was the banana before man caused it to become a banana?
Read my post more closely. " Read up on the sweet banana (Cavendish) and you will find that it did not exist as a commercial product before 1836 when it was cultivated by a gardener."

Your question should be "What was the Cavendish banana before man caused it to become a commercial product?"
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11 May '16 23:07
Originally posted by JS357
Read my post more closely. " Read up on the sweet banana (Cavendish) and you will find that it did not exist as a commercial product before 1836 when it was cultivated by a gardener."

Your question should be "What was the Cavendish banana before man caused it to become a commercial product?"
You didn't understand my question. But that's okay, because I already knew the banana was a banana before man cultivated and bred it to become what it is today... a banana.
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12 May '16 00:22
Originally posted by lemon lime
You didn't understand my question. But that's okay, because I already knew the banana was a banana before man cultivated and bred it to become what it is today... a banana.
Nothing in my post suggested otherwise.
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12 May '16 05:04
Originally posted by twhitehead
You could have just Googled it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_acuminata
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_balbisiana

[b]I find it amusing that you deny that the banana happened by accident yet you will probably claim that the human who supposedly made the banana, came about by accident.
That depends on how you define 'accident'.
The ban ...[text shortened]... was no accident. I find it amusing that you didn't know that.
Humans came about via evolution.[/b]
That depends on how you define 'accident'.
By chance.

Humans came about via evolution.

Which did not happen by chance?
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12 May '16 05:13
Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Have been keeping a secret score and currently it is:

Fetchmyjunk 0 - Atheists 9
And a hat-trick for twhitehead!
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12 May '16 06:37
I kinda want a coc and a banana now...
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12 May '16 06:46
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Which did not happen by chance?
(referring to humans arising via evolution.)
Not by chance alone.
If you throw a die, one can say that the number that shows face up after it lands occurs by chance. But the fact that it will land, and the fact that a number will show face up, is not chance. Assuming the universe is not fully deterministic, then everything happens via a combination of chance and the laws of physics.
That stars form from clouds of gas, is not a matter of chance but an unavoidable consequence of gravity. That our particular star formed in a particular place from particular atoms was a matter of chance.
If the universe is fully deterministic, then nothing happens by chance.
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12 May '16 07:33
Originally posted by twhitehead
(referring to humans arising via evolution.)
Not by chance alone.
If you throw a die, one can say that the number that shows face up after it lands occurs by chance. But the fact that it will land, and the fact that a number will show face up, is not chance. Assuming the universe is not fully deterministic, then everything happens via a combination of c ...[text shortened]... was a matter of chance.
If the universe is fully deterministic, then nothing happens by chance.
If you throw a die, one can say that the number that shows face up after it lands occurs by chance.

Yes but someone still has to throw the die.

But the fact that it will land, and the fact that a number will show face up, is not chance.

Yes because the dice was predesigned with a number on it.

Assuming the universe is not fully deterministic, then everything happens via a combination of chance and the laws of physics.

So the laws of physics created themselves?
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12 May '16 08:30
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Yes but someone still has to throw the die.
And your point is?

Yes because the dice was predesigned with a number on it.
That is not the only reason.

So the laws of physics created themselves?
I don't know where the laws of physics come from (neither do you). I don't think they could create themselves. They may be brute facts or they may be a consequence of something else or they may be at least partially 'by chance'.
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12 May '16 12:29
Originally posted by twhitehead
And your point is?

[b]Yes because the dice was predesigned with a number on it.
That is not the only reason.

So the laws of physics created themselves?
I don't know where the laws of physics come from (neither do you). I don't think they could create themselves. They may be brute facts or they may be a consequence of something else or they may be at least partially 'by chance'.[/b]
There is no free lunch. Someone has to pay. Don't think order can be produced from disorder by random chance. The laws of physics did not create themselves. Any law comes from a law maker.