Originally posted by karoly aczel
"Grace" , few people have it, no one really strives for it (it doesn't pay the bills.
You couldn't tell that to someone like George Muller who ran many orphanages completely on faith.
But more people should experience seeking FIRST the kingdom of God and His righteousness to discover that all other things will be added to them.
also includes dominion over anxiety. Don't you think God is concerned with your bills if you seek first His kingdom and His righteousness ?
It is good to enter into the "school of grace" where one learns that in Christ we can walk upon the waves of anxiety, having dominion over our fears in trust of our heavenly Father.
As for the first 6 (or is it 7) days of creation , are you serious? ... clearly you are, which is disturbing but unsurprising and, imo, disapointing.
The main reason: you guys spend so much time and effort in trying to disprove evolution, when alll things said and done , the origins of "man" doesn't really help solve todays problems. Even if the 6 day creation story was proven beyond doubt to be true, what purpose would that serve? (I suspect only negative ones)
This thread was not intended to be a Young Earth verses Old Earth debate or a Evolution verses Creationism or Intelligent Design debate.
I am going on the presupposition that however long ago or however long the process of duration in the beginning God created the universe.
My main point has been that this was easier than what God wants to do with this creation, That is namely to work Himself into man to be one with man.
If man was just a piece of material it would not be hard. But man, god's creation, has his own will, his own thought, his own intention about many matters.
The greater challenge for God then is to wrought His mind, His thought, His plan into man that He may achieve an incorporation of God in man - a perfect mingling.
God will obtain this. And in the process He encourages His believers that the grace of Jesus Christ, the standard model of this incorporation, is with all the saints.
You should appreciate that the name Jesus
is the Greek for Joshua
in the Old Testament was a Captain and a General leading the army of God into victory. so Jesus [joshua]
is the Captian of salvation leading many sons into the glorious expression of the divine being.
Yes, Jesus is a Savior. But even more He is the "Captian of salvation"
leading many sons of God into the "promise land" of God thoroughly expressed in a divine / human union, a mingling of God and man for eternity future.
'In the begining ' .. so do you also subscribe to the idea that eternity has a start?
No. But I am a creature bound in time and is likely only to be able to think in terms of time.
In the beginning God
precludes that God always was. You know this. God is uncreated. God always was and always will be.
In Genesis 1:1
He begins time and space and creation. In Revelation 21 and 22
He has worked His life into man for the corporate expression of God mingled in life with man.
As He is accomplishing this plan, along the way, and through many trials, He reminds those who believe in Christ that the grace of Christ is with them.
Though this Revelation
is a prophecy of many things which MUST
come to pass, there is still the need for Grace
to empower, supply, enable, the saints in the process towards the final goal.
" The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen." (Rev. 22:21)
Keep in mind the fact that when John saw the New Jerusalem
he was a kind of divine time traveler. He saw me there. Maybe he saw YOU there as well. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to assure this.
At any rate, John has seen that it cannot fail that God will obtain His eternal purpose.