The Good Father

@fmf said
Once again:

I don't want to go "cam-2-cam" with you.

I don't want to talk to you on the phone.

I don't want you to visit me in Indonesia.

I don't want to get drunk with you or find out whether or not you are a fun guy.

I haven't forgotten your needy pleading.

Run away from this thread, if you want.

Try to get the forum closed down, if you must.

Yeah I was actually thinking along the lines of this:

YouTube

Except nobody would really watch it and it could be deleted.

We could get Dive to moderate.

It would make sense because it is a struggle to cover any material.

@fmf said
Er... do you mean: IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT NUMBER BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT NUMBER?

If hell is real, and God presides over it, and God is omniscient... Why wouldn't it be the right number?

@philokalia said
Yeah I was actually thinking along the lines of this:

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If you don't want to debate the morality of the torturer God ideology here on this forum, so be it.

@fmf said
If you don't want to debate the morality of the torturer God ideology here on this forum, so be it.

Then stop evading the points & repeating yourself.

@philokalia said
If hell is real, and God presides over it, and God is omniscient... Why wouldn't it be the right number?

If I don't believe there is a God figure like the one you describe, one who is omniscient, vengeful, wrathful, etc. What would be the moral purpose of torturing me after I die?

@philokalia said
Then stop evading the points & repeating yourself.

My sidestepped questions await you. The ball is in your court.

@fmf said
If I don't believe there is a God figure like the one you describe, one who is omniscient, vengeful, wrathful, etc. What would be the moral purpose of torturing me after I die?

Why have I said people go to hell?

I've said it many times in this thread.

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I sometimes ignore comments that I don't think have value or are just meant to troll.

Which is everyone's right.

@philokalia said

People thinking "hell should be real" isn't evidence of anything supernatural and is a moral opinion rather than an argument: should people who DON'T think "hell should be real". Remember coherence and credibility are intertwined.

You're just using this wrongly:

[quote]1. The quality or state of cohering, especially a logical, orderly, and aesthetical ...[text shortened]... be held accountable?

This is some of the explanation about the scale of sin being irrelevant. ^^

Credibility and coherence are intertwined.

Furthermore, whether it's a lack of credibility or a lack of coherence that I perceive, what would be the moral justification for 30,000,000,000 years of torture and then 300,000,000,000 more years and then infinity beyond that?

@fmf said
Credibility and coherence are intertwined.

Furthermore, whether it's a lack of credibility or a lack of coherence that I perceive, what would be the moral justification for 30,000,000,000 years of torture and then 300,000,000,000 more years and then infinity beyond that?

(1) You have only repeated yourself on this.

(2) It's not torture: it is the direct consequence of how one has lived, and, as the soul is eternal, and heaven is eternal, why is it wrong that hell is eternal?

What piece of logic shows that it is wrong? What argument?

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You know, we really shouldn't debate. We should focus just on discussing.

We should not have any kind of enmity in our interactions.