Originally posted by @thinkofoneSo, to boil this boilerplate down, you think that we earn salvation by "doing", and that belief is secondary, if that. You actually believe that "doing is believing"?
Of course belief in Him is required. When Jesus was preaching His gospel He used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" essentially in three different ways:
1) Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God
2) Believe that His words are the word of God
3) Believe His words in and of themselves.
Jesus did NOT use them to mean to ...[text shortened]... a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear".
No, believing is believing.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI was born without an opinion on the existence of God and so were you. We both have one now.
Why, were you born a Christian?
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneDo you have anything to say about the OP?
Of course belief in Him is required. When Jesus was preaching His gospel He used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" essentially in three different ways:
1) Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God
2) Believe that His words are the word of God
3) Believe His words in and of themselves.
Jesus did NOT use them to mean to ...[text shortened]... a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
"He who has ears to hear, let him hear".
Originally posted by @suzianneYou think one can enter God's Kingdom...Without even believing in his redemptive sacrifice for us?
By "truly" righteous you mean without God, by one's own works. Imagine: You think one can enter God's Kingdom, the place he went to prepare for us, without him? Without even believing in his redemptive sacrifice for us?
Believing that Jesus keeps the promises he made to us regarding that he redeems us of sin (the "imputed nonsense" that you say ...[text shortened]... in), and THEN keeping our promises to him is precisely how we become actually righteous.
In the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry, He never stipulated that. If you think He did, then cite the passages.
By "truly" righteous you mean without God, by one's own works.
No by abiding in His word and having His word abide in you. This Jesus did stipulate. Do you need to see passages?
Originally posted by @suzianneActually the post boils down to the individual has to believe His word. This is the end game in Jesus used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" in the gospel preached by Him during His ministry.
So, to boil this boilerplate down, you think that we earn salvation by "doing", and that belief is secondary, if that. You actually believe that "doing is believing"?
No, believing is believing.
No, believing is believing.
Let me try this.
Let's say a man says that he believes in keeping the promise he made in his wedding vows. Let's say that he even thinks that he believes this with the utmost conviction. Subsequently he meets a beautiful woman and she shows interest in him. He then cheats on his wife.
I submit to you that he did not truly believe in keeping the promise.
I submit to you that a man who truly believes in keeping that promise would keep that promise even if he met the most beautiful woman in the world and she showed interest in him. It wouldn't even be a difficult decision.
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