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    http://repent-believe.webs.com

    is this the Good news ( the Gospel ) or do you have another ?
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    25 Jun '08 22:44
    Originally posted by Baruch Adonai
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    is this the Good news ( the Gospel ) or do you have another ?
    I'm about as familiar with John Macarthur as anybody I know. I actually own one of his Bibles. He's a third generation preacher. Very bright. Educated. One of the best orators of the gospel around. What you read on the link you provided is just about right on.

    I part company with Macarthur on a few points of doctrine though. He's not a dispensationalist as I am. Mcarthur's theology falls along the line of 90% of what is preached out there. It's called covenant theology. It is basically the opposite of dispensationalism.
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    i have tried to do some research as a new Christian on dispensationalisim, is it to do with the Church and Israel ?
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    07 Jul '08 12:06
    Originally posted by yabbadoo
    i have tried to do some research as a new Christian on dispensationalisim, is it to do with the Church and Israel ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
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    07 Jul '08 13:48
    Originally posted by yabbadoo
    i have tried to do some research as a new Christian on dispensationalisim, is it to do with the Church and Israel ?
    It's connected to Christian Zionism and Zionism in many ways. If your politics align you with the Palestinian Arabs struggle for justice you won't like dispensationalism very much.

    Jewish Zionism used the idea of returning to their promised land as way of encouraging Jews to settle on and buy land that was not morally theirs in my opinion. It's quite a dangerous philosophy when applied to Israel and I know well meaning Christians who hold that the jews return to Israel was ordained by God , without realising the havoc and suffering it caused.

    Strange thing is that there is a strong branch of Orthodox Jews who vehemently oppose Zionism and see it as Atheistic rather than spiritual. Many of the early founders of Zionism were pretty atheistic and used Jewsih spirituality for political ends.
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    I dont believe the Church has replaced Israel and dont think God has finished with the nation until the prophecy in Luke is fulfilled. I dont really put a label on myself just believe the bible.
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    07 Jul '08 14:551 edit
    The link weas my site i wanted to see if i had a good soild outline of the Gospel ? www.repent-believe.webs.com
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    07 Jul '08 19:13
    Originally posted by yabbadoo
    i have tried to do some research as a new Christian on dispensationalisim, is it to do with the Church and Israel ?
    A fellow named Darby made up dispensationalism out of whole cloth in the 1800s. It supposedly explains all the mysteries of prophetic scriptires concerning the end time, and those Left Behind aurhors made a bundle off of it. But there is no Biblical basis for it. For starters, the second coming and the Last Day are the same--Christ returns, everybody gets judged--bang bang bang. At least, that is the position of the denomination I belong to.
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    Originally posted by josephw
    He's not a dispensationalist as I am.
    I would have thought that dispensationalism would have died out after a few decades, since a
    fundamental tenet of such a theological framework is that Jesus is coming, and soon. Given
    that He hasn't come since dispensational theology came into being in the 19th-century, I would
    have thought it would have run out of steam.

    Of course, I'm obviously wrong, because the 'Left Behind' series is as famous as what passes for
    theology gets. It just astonishes me that people can shout that the sky is falling for 200 years
    and people still duck.

    Nemesio

    P.S., You can spare me the inevitable Scripture quoting with 'You do not know the day nor the
    hour that the Son of Man....' I've read them.
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    07 Jul '08 20:23
    Originally posted by Baruch Adonai
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    is this the Good news ( the Gospel ) or do you have another ?
    That's not good news, that's old news.
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    08 Jul '08 11:193 edits
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    I would have thought that dispensationalism would have died out after a few decades, since a
    fundamental tenet of such a theological framework is that Jesus is coming, and soon. Given
    that He hasn't come since dispensational theology came into being in the 19th-century, I would
    have thought it would have run out of steam.

    Of course, I'm obvious ing with 'You do not know the day nor the
    hour that the Son of Man....' I've read them.
    Did you also remember the one about with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as one day?

    So a relevant question is "How soon is soon?"


    When Jesus does come physically back to the earth I think most people will think it is too soon rather than too late.

    We should be concerned that we are not among the ones crying on that day "Wait, not yet!"
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    08 Jul '08 11:53
    Originally posted by jaywill
    So a relevant question is "How soon is soon?"
    No, the relevant question is: If somebody uses words whose definition is essentially unknown - is there any point in listening?
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    08 Jul '08 11:57
    Originally posted by Baruch Adonai
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    is this the Good news ( the Gospel ) or do you have another ?
    a few notes:

    Sighting cherry picked bible versus is like stringing beads; and what happens to a string of beads when pulled too hard? Scripture should be read exegetically.

    Sin is mentioned quite often on that site. If I were he, I would maybe do a little more research into the root cause of sin (Romans 7:15-25 for starters).
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    if sin is not mentioned then there is no need for the good news. We are not reconciled to God unless we accept the Gospel of Christ crucified for the remission of sins.
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    09 Jul '08 15:08
    Originally posted by yabbadoo
    if sin is not mentioned then there is no need for the good news. We are not reconciled to God unless we accept the Gospel of Christ crucified for the remission of sins.
    what is the nature of sin, and when does it come from?
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