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Originally posted by jaywillTo be honest, I didn't find the content of that link impressive. In particular the crass notion that a child dying of cancer could have some meaning for a god at some time in the future an awful case of special pleading.
For a serious possible response to this comedian's argument about the existence of evil, I recommend W.L. Craig on the objection here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPqSrnR6VtI&feature=related
Originally posted by Diodorus SiculusWhy in your supposedly athiest world view is the child dying of cancer any worse than the child living to a ripe old age without such suffering ? You just prefer it ?
To be honest, I didn't find the content of that link impressive. In particular the crass notion that a child dying of cancer could have some meaning for a god at some time in the future an awful case of special pleading.
Originally posted by jaywillI watched it. There is not much in it that has not already been stated on these forums.
For a serious possible response to this comedian's argument about the existence of evil, I recommend W.L. Craig on the objection here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPqSrnR6VtI&feature=related
Originally posted by jaywillAnd how is your theist world view any different? Is the main difference the fact that instead of knowing or figuring out what is better or worse you are told by God what is better or worse? ie God just prefers it (but oddly lets the poor child die anyway).
Why in your supposedly athiest world view is the child dying of cancer any worse than the child living to a ripe old age without such suffering ? You just prefer it ?
Originally posted by SwissGambitThere is another objection to that claim. If we are unable to judge Gods actions morally then we cannot and should not assume that God is good. To simply 'have faith' that he is good is basically a random bet. You might as well 'have faith' that Satan is the good one as I am sure that nobody is in a better position to judge Satan's actions morally than they are with respect to Gods. Its ones word vs the others.
My main disagreement with him is his objection to the probabilistic problem of evil. He claims we are not in a good position to weigh the probability that it is morally justified to allow the evil actions and events we see in the world. The most poignant objection to his objection has been given several times on these forums. It is that, by claiming that ...[text shortened]... ur, the theist is saying that this is the best of all possible worlds. That's too bold a claim.
Originally posted by twhitehead"If we are unable to judge Gods actions morally then we cannot and should not assume that God is good."
There is another objection to that claim. If we are unable to judge Gods actions morally then we cannot and should not assume that God is good. To simply 'have faith' that he is good is basically a random bet. You might as well 'have faith' that Satan is the good one as I am sure that nobody is in a better position to judge Satan's actions morally than they are with respect to Gods. Its ones word vs the others.
Originally posted by SwissGambitThis is a tough issue and I cannot avoid that my reply is longer than you probably want to read.
I watched it. There is not much in it that has not already been stated on these forums.
My main disagreement with him is his objection to the probabilistic problem of evil. He claims we are not in a good position to weigh the probability that it is morally justified to allow the evil actions and events we see in the world. The most poignant objection ...[text shortened]... jection #2 is thus not attacking the argument at hand, but rather a different version of it.
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And how is your theist world view any different? Is the main difference the fact that instead of knowing or figuring out what is better or worse you are told by God what is better or worse? ie God just prefers it (but oddly lets the poor child die anyway).