26 Jul 10
The Happiest Man in The World
http://www.ted.com/talks/matthieu_ricard_on_the_habits_of_happiness.html
Comes across as a very simple, normal guy. Interesting stuff.
TED talk by Matthieu Ricard, former microbiologist at the Pasteur Institute and Buddhist monk for many years. He has been involved in psychological studies on happiness. Many of his fellow monks rate on the extreme high end of the happiness scale created by these tests. And his ratings seem to be off the charts.
26 Jul 10
Originally posted by r99pawn77No matter how you try to frame it or justify it, the desire for happiness is self-centered. In a world where there is suffering, only through self-delusion can one attain happiness. One should seek reality rather than happiness.
The Happiest Man in The World
http://www.ted.com/talks/matthieu_ricard_on_the_habits_of_happiness.html
Comes across as a very simple, normal guy. Interesting stuff.
TED talk by Matthieu Ricard, former microbiologist at the Pasteur Institute and Buddhist monk for many years. He has been involved in psychological studies on happiness. Many of his ...[text shortened]... h end of the happiness scale created by these tests. And his ratings seem to be off the charts.
Evidently Matthieu Ricard is a master of self-delusion.
26 Jul 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneSeek reality? It's hard to avoid completely. But happiness can come from one's interpretation of reality. If your belief system includes the thought that this life is a temporary blip among your many past and future temporary blip lives, and so is everyone else's, you might be less likely to feel constant angst. Similarly, if you're doing things to try to alleviate the angst of others, at some point you're happy to be making a difference. If you're constantly worrying about the whole world's suffering but doing nothing, or doing what you can but beating yourself up that it's not enough, then that's neither mentally healthy nor realistic.
No matter how you try to frame it or justify it, the desire for happiness is self-centered. In a world where there is suffering, only through self-delusion can one attain happiness. One should seek reality rather than happiness.
Evidently Matthieu Ricard is a master of self-delusion.
26 Jul 10
Originally posted by pawnhandlerAs ThinkOfOne said, that is self delusion. You cannot invent reincarnation and pretend it is merely your 'interpretation of reality'.
Seek reality? It's hard to avoid completely. But happiness can come from one's interpretation of reality. If your belief system includes the thought that this life is a temporary blip among your many past and future temporary blip lives, and so is everyone else's, you might be less likely to feel constant angst.
26 Jul 10
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Originally posted by pawnhandlerYour comment that "[reality] is hard to avoid completely" says a lot. The vast majority DO try to avoid it. They try to avoid it through self-delusion. Some even go so far as to concoct elaborate belief systems as TW pointed out, so strong is the desire for the feeling of "happiness". However, if you think about it, the feeling of "happiness" is intrinsically self-centered since it can only be felt by the individual. Even your example of "doing things to try to alleviate the angst of others" is followed by "at some point YOU'RE HAPPY to be making a difference". People are addicted to the neurobiological incentive to have a sense of well-being, i.e., happiness. Note that it is a SENSE of well-being that is most often brought on by self-delusion. I submit to you that what is truly "mentally healthy [and] realistic" is living in reality rather than self-delusion.
Seek reality? It's hard to avoid completely. But happiness can come from one's interpretation of reality. If your belief system includes the thought that this life is a temporary blip among your many past and future temporary blip lives, and so is everyone else's, you might be less likely to feel constant angst. Similarly, if you're doing things to t g yourself up that it's not enough, then that's neither mentally healthy nor realistic.
26 Jul 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneInteresting response, ToO.
No matter how you try to frame it or justify it, the desire for happiness is self-centered. In a world where there is suffering, only through self-delusion can one attain happiness. One should seek reality rather than happiness.
Evidently Matthieu Ricard is a master of self-delusion.
27 Jul 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI think you miss the point of Ricard's happiness. I don't think he 'desires' happiness, it's simply the outcome of his particular outlook on the world.
No matter how you try to frame it or justify it, the desire for happiness is self-centered. In a world where there is suffering, only through self-delusion can one attain happiness. One should seek reality rather than happiness.
Evidently Matthieu Ricard is a master of self-delusion.
He's happy - not because he wants to be happy, but simply because that's what he is.
As an analogy, I could say I'm a male, not because I desire to be one, I just am. Am I self-deluded because of that? I wouldn't think so.
27 Jul 10
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Originally posted by r99pawn77The quality or state of human 'happiness' represents an inclusive spectrum, ranging
The Happiest Man in The World
http://www.ted.com/talks/matthieu_ricard_on_the_habits_of_happiness.html
Comes across as a very simple, normal guy. Interesting stuff.
TED talk by Matthieu Ricard, former microbiologist at the Pasteur Institute and Buddhist monk for many years. He has been involved in psychological studies on happiness. Many of his ...[text shortened]... h end of the happiness scale created by these tests. And his ratings seem to be off the charts.
from tranquility to ecstatics. God alone enjoys perfect happiness. It's part of His gift.
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27 Jul 10
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Originally posted by amannionI think you miss the point of Ricard's happiness. I don't think he 'desires' happiness, it's simply the outcome of his particular outlook on the world.
I think you miss the point of Ricard's happiness. I don't think he 'desires' happiness, it's simply the outcome of his particular outlook on the world.
He's happy - not because he wants to be happy, but simply because that's what he is.
As an analogy, I could say I'm a male, not because I desire to be one, I just am. Am I self-deluded because of that? I wouldn't think so.
He's happy - not because he wants to be happy, but simply because that's what he is.
I take it you didn't watch the video which seems to contradict your premise. So on what do you base your premise?
As an analogy, I could say I'm a male, not because I desire to be one, I just am. Am I self-deluded because of that? I wouldn't think so.
You might want to reread my post. You seem to have confused where self-delusion comes in. You really need to work on your analogies. It's usually good to find something more analogous than what you chose here.