My favorite verse in scripture is Genesis 15: 1 KJV
"After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward."
I can remember what I saw the first time I read this, I was so happy to
find out that God Himself is our exceeding great reward. Not some house
that is being built in heaven for us, not some Spiritual gift in this life, not
even eternal life itself, but God himself.
In this life time we see so many things that would have us desiring them
over God, from other people, to things, to status, to many things in this life
that will not last. Our families members come and go, our friends come
and go, our positions can come and go, we are put up and down in status
throughout life. We can look to so many things to satisfy our lives and give
our lives meaning. All of this I'm sorry to say even my own reasons for
picking Gen 15:1 has to do with what I can get out of God.
So God when He reaches out to us does what, appeal to what we can get
out of it, not so much, KJV John 19
28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Jesus was stripped, beaten, hung up and killed for us laying down His life
for us. Jesus died that He could pay for our sins, so He gives up His life
for us.
So when we look to Jesus we should NOT be looking for what we can get
out of Him to make our lives better. The major concern we should have is
not what we should be getting out of God, but can we honor Jesus, because
He deserves it, as a reward for His suffering! We should be honoring Him
with our lives, asking for lives that honor God. We should be forgiving as He
has forgiven us, we should not be putting stumbling blocks in front of those
that Jesus died for, He died for each of us, does He not deserve the reward
for His suffering and shouldn't we be long suffering towards each other as
God has been for us?
Kelly
12 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJayI realize this is probably written to exhort believers, but....
My favorite verse in scripture is Genesis 15: 1 KJV
"After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward."
I can remember what I saw the first time I read this, I was so happy to
find out that God Himself is our exceeding great reward. Not some house
that is be ...[text shortened]... suffering and shouldn't we be long suffering towards each other as
God has been for us?
Kelly
I cannot find any actual content to your prescription. What is the actual content contained in the idea of "honoring" Jesus? Honoring, in this sense, consists of what?
12 Nov 13
Originally posted by LemonJelloIt is to look at life with Jesus in mind not ourselves. We can keep our focus
I realize this is probably written to exhort believers, but....
I cannot find any actual content to your prescription. What is the actual content contained in the idea of "honoring" Jesus? Honoring, in this sense, consists of what?
upon ourselves we become self-centered. We can be easily manipulated by
the cares of this world, if something could touch something we care about
we can be made bitter, if someone harms us in word or deed we can
become defensive and can look for revenge. Living life with Jesus Christ our
hearts are not on what we get out of life, or on all the people and things we
cherish in this life, but Christ. With our eyes on Him, no matter the storms
in life He is with us, and our desires to help others are not based upon if we
like or care about them, but if Jesus does, and Jesus died for each and
every one of us. This isn’t something of just a pure mental head trick,
Jesus Christ has to be a part of one’s life, His Spirit must be in you leading
you, guiding you, no one can do this without God in their lives.
Kelly
Originally posted by LemonJelloIsn't it clear that we can honor Jesus with our lips. As the thread title states, we can honor Jesus by proclaiming Him Lord of all, the Creator of all, the King of the universe, our great God and Savior, and the One and only God Almighty. But greater than this is to honor Jesus by obeying His commandments.
I realize this is probably written to exhort believers, but....
I cannot find any actual content to your prescription. What is the actual content contained in the idea of "honoring" Jesus? Honoring, in this sense, consists of what?
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
The Instructor
12 Nov 13
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Originally posted by KellyJay
It is to look at life with Jesus in mind not ourselves. We can keep our focus
upon ourselves we become self-centered. We can be easily manipulated by
the cares of this world, if something could touch something we care about
we can be made bitter, if someone harms us in word or deed we can
become defensive and can look for revenge. Living life with Jesus ...[text shortened]... must be in you leading
you, guiding you, no one can do this without God in their lives.
Kelly
It is to look at life with Jesus in mind not ourselves.... Living life with Jesus Christ our
hearts are not on what we get out of life, or on all the people and things we
cherish in this life, but Christ.
I'm not trying to be dense, but I still do not get it. What does it mean to "look at life with Jesus in mind"? And why would one want to do that? (By "want" here I am not talking about simple impulse or desire; I mean, what practical reasons would one have to suggest that to "look at life with Jesus in mind" is the right course of action? ) Also, why would one not want his heart to be on the people and things we cherish in life? We can have justifiable reasons to cherish such things, so why deny ourselves this? I don't get it.
If you unpack this Jesus talk, does it just boil down to saying that to honor Jesus, one ought to strive to live in accordance with moral precepts putatively sourced from Jesus' teaching, or some such?
12 Nov 13
Originally posted by RJHindsNo it is not clear what is meant by "honor Jesus" in the context of this thread. Hence, my questions of clarification....
Isn't it clear that we can honor Jesus with our lips. As the thread title states, we can honor Jesus by proclaiming Him Lord of all, the Creator of all, the King of the universe, our great God and Savior, and the One and only God Almighty. But greater than this is to honor Jesus by obeying His commandments.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!
The Instructor
13 Nov 13
Originally posted by LemonJelloMaybe it's something like, with everything you see, you ask yourself: Could the Romans have nailed him to that?
I'm not trying to be dense, but I still do not get it. What does it mean to "look at life with Jesus in mind"?
Ferris wheel: all that truss work -- darn tootin' he'd stick to that!
Mini blinds: not strong enough to support the weight of an alleged miracle-worker. FAIL.
Ceiling fan: this one is tricky. If the fan were mounted in a stud, then switch it on and watch the show! Otherwise you'll need new drywall.
Christmas tree: okay, size matters here. If it's the one on the White House lawn, it's a go. Residential size? No joy...
13 Nov 13
Originally posted by LemonJelloLike I told you, without God, it is impossible to do. You are just worriedIt is to look at life with Jesus in mind not ourselves.... Living life with Jesus Christ our
hearts are not on what we get out of life, or on all the people and things we
cherish in this life, but Christ.
I'm not trying to be dense, but I still do not get it. What does it mean to "look at life with Jesus in mind"? And why would one w ...[text shortened]... to live in accordance with moral precepts putatively sourced from Jesus' teaching, or some such?
about the 'doing' the works of it. If you don't have God in your life you
cannot walk out your life with Him.
Kelly
13 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJaySo basically you know what is right and what is wrong, but you feel you are incapable of doing right unless you play mind games on yourself whilst denying that you are playing mind games.
Like I told you, without God, it is impossible to do. You are just worried
about the 'doing' the works of it. If you don't have God in your life you
cannot walk out your life with Him.
Kelly
13 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJay
Like I told you, without God, it is impossible to do. You are just worried
about the 'doing' the works of it. If you don't have God in your life you
cannot walk out your life with Him.
Kelly
You are just worried
about the 'doing' the works of it.
No, I am just worried about whether or not your ideas about right action in "honoring Jesus" have any actual discernable content. As far as I can tell, they do not; but I will check back on this thread's progress to see if I can get some clarification on that.
13 Nov 13
Originally posted by LemonJelloYou will never see it looking on the outside in. The truth about God isYou are just worried
about the 'doing' the works of it.
No, I am just worried about whether or not your ideas about right action in "honoring Jesus" have any actual discernable content. As far as I can tell, they do not; but I will check back on this thread's progress to see if I can get some clarification on that.
that He is real, and He gives us His Spirit to lead us and guide us
through life. Without the Spirit of God we are left with just the spirit
of man who only knows the things of man which relies totally on his
nature to deal with life, which as you know gives us things we see
daily on the news. I cannot stress enough what Jesus Christ did
for us, and how through Him we connect to our very Creator and
Sustainer.
Kelly
13 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat sort of things (general not specific) do you do in your life that you think I do not?
Like I told you, without God, it is impossible to do. You are just worried
about the 'doing' the works of it. If you don't have God in your life you
cannot walk out your life with Him.
Kelly
What is the practical difference between a theist and an atheist?
13 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJayThis is good and full and correct. I approve this message.
It is to look at life with Jesus in mind not ourselves. We can keep our focus
upon ourselves we become self-centered. We can be easily manipulated by
the cares of this world, if something could touch something we care about
we can be made bitter, if someone harms us in word or deed we can
become defensive and can look for revenge. Living life with Jesus ...[text shortened]... must be in you leading
you, guiding you, no one can do this without God in their lives.
Kelly
Obvious trolling is obvious. I'm guessing LJ was just stalling until he could get the atheist troll train going. And they came, and they piled on.
Same as it ever was.
To you trolling atheists, I'm guessing Kelly started this thread with fellow Christians in mind. I'm also guessing it's not all that important whether you "get it" or not. You probably don't. So, rather than asking Kelly to explain what he means, even though since you people are writing in English I can only assume that you understand English, just say "I don't get it" and move on, don't constipate this thread with your unbelief.
13 Nov 13
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Originally posted by wolfgang59One is trying to do better with the help of God, while the other is trying to do worse on his own.
What sort of things (general not specific) do you do in your life that you think I do not?
What is the practical difference between a theist and an atheist?
The Instructor
13 Nov 13
Originally posted by SuzianneMeh....I see you still have your undies in a bunch, wench.
This is good and full and correct. I approve this message.
Obvious trolling is obvious. I'm guessing LJ was just stalling until he could get the atheist troll train going. And they came, and they piled on.
Same as it ever was.
To you trolling atheists, I'm guessing Kelly started this thread with fellow Christians in mind. I'm also guessing it's ...[text shortened]... English, just say "I don't get it" and move on, don't constipate this thread with your unbelief.
I already acknowledged that this thread is intended to exhort believers. But KJ was fine with indulging my questions concerning clarification about his statements (though he didn't actually provide any clarification).