-Removed-the truth is so simple you are perhaps missing it. It must be something all can understand, even those who are not educated.
(John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
How can uneducated people understand and put faith in Christ Jesus if it isn't simple?
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Originally posted by roigam
the truth is so simple you are perhaps missing it. It must be something all can understand, even those who are not educated.
(John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
How can uneducated people understand and put faith in Christ Jesus if it isn't simple?
I don't think you could point to ANYONE who simply picking up the Bible to read, deduced that Michael the angel is Jesus of the New Testament.
Without the "help" of door to door students of Charles Taz Russell, I don't think anyone reads that out of the bible.
When were you told that Michael was Jesus?
Were you not in some class or teaching session?
Or this so-called "simple" matter you read in one of the magazines from Brooklyn's JW publishing house ?
Now to be fair, that in itself doesn't make the teaching wrong. However, its wrong unless the Word that was God (John 1:1) is also Michael an angel. And that is beyond absurd.
Originally posted by sonshipIf you pray and read the Bible, if you study the Bible without preconceived ideas, if you read in your mother tongue, you might be surprised at what you can learn! (you in the general sense, not you personally)
[quote] the truth is so simple you are perhaps missing it. It must be something all can understand, even those who are not educated.
(John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
How can uneducated people understand and put faith in ...[text shortened]... ss the Word that was God [b](John 1:1) is also Michael an angel. And that is beyond absurd.[/b]
Originally posted by roigamUsing the NWT really, really diminishes your message.
You should read your Bible a lot more.
(Psalm 37:10, 11) Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. 11 But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live fore ...[text shortened]... t born son to defend His name. That was Jesus (Michael the Archangel in his prehuman existence).
The NWT was written to support the dogma of Charles Russell, already fully described before the NWT was authored. So using it to support your dogma is clearly a slam-dunk, but try it with a real Bible, and it's not so easy, unless you stick to verses that have absolutely nothing to do with what you're talking about. After all, that is half of what you've done here, just like the other JWs here do. But I understand, that's just how you're trained.
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Originally posted by SuzianneTry it you'll like it. It makes sense, not like the "mysteries" of Christendom.
Using the NWT really, really diminishes your message.
The NWT was written to support the dogma of Charles Russell, already fully described before the NWT was authored. So using it to support your dogma is clearly a slam-dunk, but try it with a real Bible, and it's not so easy, unless you stick to verses that have absolutely nothing to do with wha ...[text shortened]... e done here, just like the other JWs here do. But I understand, that's just how you're trained.
For example(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him,
Did Jesus whisper in his own ear?
This verse only makes sense if Jesus is a separate person from God the Father even as (1 Timothy 2:5) says "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,".
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Originally posted by roigamYou seem to forget that Jesus is also the Son of God as well as the son of man from Mary.
Try it you'll like it. It makes sense, not like the "mysteries" of Christendom.
For example(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him,
Did Jesus whisper in his own ear?
This verse only makes sense if Jesus is a separate person from God the Father even as (1 Timothy 2:5) says "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,".
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
(John 1:1, 14 NKJV)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16 NKJV)
Originally posted by RJHinds
You seem to forget that Jesus is also the Son of God as well as the son of man from Mary.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and [b]the Word was God..., full of grace and truth.
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten of the Father
(John 1:1, 14 NKJV) ...[text shortened]... ng the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. [/quote]
(1 Timothy 3:16 NKJV)[/b]You didn"t read far enough.
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.
1) Men have seen Jesus so he can't be God.
2) Jesus is at his Father's side so cannot be God the Father.
I think the Apostle John knew who Jesus was and was not.
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Originally posted by roigam
1) Men have seen Jesus so he can't be God.
Jacob told Joseph his son that El Shaddai ( or God Almighty ) appeared to him (Jacob)
"And Jacob said to Joseph, The All-sufficient God appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me." (Genesis 48:3 Recovery Version)
Does that mean that El Shaddai cannot be God either because Jacob saw Him ?
A few other English translations of Genesis 48:3
New American Standard Bible
Then Jacob said to Joseph, "God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me,
King James Bible
And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jacob said to Joseph, "God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me.
International Standard Version
Jacob reminded Joseph, "God Almighty revealed himself to me at Luz in Canaan and blessed me.
NET Bible
Jacob said to Joseph, "The sovereign God appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jacob said to Joseph, "God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in Canaan and blessed me.
What John must mean is that all the previous instances of God appearing in the Old Testament are now superseded by the incarnation of God in a man. The Word was with God and was God. And the Word became flesh (John 1:1,14)
There were a number of seeings of God in the Hebrew Bible. Now the Apostle John says God manifest in the living, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ transcends all of those previous epiphanies.
Compared to Word being made flesh, all "seeings" of God by the patriarchs have been superseded by God manifest in the life of the Son.
Originally posted by roigam"God created angels to live in heaven and man on earth" Hog wash.
Probably because most everyone has been deceived into thinking they will be going to heaven/hell.
The Millennial Reign is the last thousand years in the seventh creative day.
Jehovah has allowed Satan and rebellious mankind have their way for the last approximately 6 thousand years to show how we can't succeed without Him. The last thousand years is for Hi ...[text shortened]... his beautiful Earth.
Jehovah God created the angels to live in Heaven and man to live on Earth!
Originally posted by roigamDid you never read, that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Probably because most everyone has been deceived into thinking they will be going to heaven/hell.
The Millennial Reign is the last thousand years in the seventh creative day.
Jehovah has allowed Satan and rebellious mankind have their way for the last approximately 6 thousand years to show how we can't succeed without Him. The last thousand years is for Hi ...[text shortened]... his beautiful Earth.
Jehovah God created the angels to live in Heaven and man to live on Earth!
The Jews understood this far better than the J.W.'s .
Originally posted by roigamI'm not overly concern about Heaven and Hell in this thread, just the
Probably because most everyone has been deceived into thinking they will be going to heaven/hell.
The Millennial Reign is the last thousand years in the seventh creative day.
Jehovah has allowed Satan and rebellious mankind have their way for the last approximately 6 thousand years to show how we can't succeed without Him. The last thousand years is for Hi ...[text shortened]... his beautiful Earth.
Jehovah God created the angels to live in Heaven and man to live on Earth!
Millennial Reign. I'm not sure where the term seventh creative day comes
from so you'll have to educate me on that term. Where do you see that God
is going to bring back the dead in good health so that all who haven't had
the chance can learn about God in scripture?