Originally posted by SuzianneThe concept of "crossing Jordon" has traditionally been applied to dying or going to heaven. But some of us feel that the analogy doesn't fit.
Good, I'm eager to hear it.
And to all the faithless atheist crybabies out there, "neener, neener!"
And to jaywill, I'm sorry for interrupting your thread, yes, I'm trolling... a bit. Yeah, a bit. Please go on.
English Standard Version
For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering.
New American Standard Bible
For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings.
King James Bible
For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
King James 2000 Bible
But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.
American King James Version
But put you on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.
American Standard Version
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof .
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhat struck me was the ruthlessness of God's command. The New Testament portrays Christ as the "Good Land" to be conquered and apportioned to His people.
Joshua captured all these royal cities and all their kings and annihilated them with the sword, 18 as Moses the Lord’s servant had commanded. 11:13 But Israel did not burn any of the cities located on mounds, 19 except for Hazor; 20 it was the only one Joshua burned. 11:14 The Israelites plundered all the goods of these cities and the cattle, but they totally destroyed all the people 21 and allowed no one who breathed to live.
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
Joshua captured all these royal cities and all their kings and annihilated them with the sword,
One reason to admire and trust Jesus above all other persons is that he knows more than anyone else. He knows all people thoroughly, their hearts and their thoughts. "He knew all men" (John 2:24). "You, Lord, . . . know the hearts of all men" (Acts 1:24). "And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, 'Why are you thinking evil in your hearts?'" (Matthew 9:4). There is no one who perplexes Jesus. No thought or action is unintelligible to him. He knows its origin and end. The most convoluted psychotic and the most abstruse genius are open and laid bare to his understanding. He understands every motion of their minds.
Jesus not only knows all people thoroughly as they were and are today, he also knows what people will think and do tomorrow. He knows all things that will come to pass. "Jesus, [knew] all the things that were coming upon Him" (John 18:4). On the basis of this knowledge, he foretold numerous things that his friends and enemies would do. "[Jesus said] 'There are some of you who do not believe.' For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him" (John 6:64). "From now on," he said, "I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am" (John 13:19). The reason he foretold these things, he explains, is so that we might know that "he is" - is what? That he is the divine Son of God. "I am" is the name for God in Exodus 3:14 and the designation of deity in Isaiah 43:10. Jesus knows all that will come to pass, and, to help our faith, he says, "Behold, I have told you in advance" (Matthew 24:25).
Jesus simply knows all things. Thus his disciples said, truly, "Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God" (John 16:30). The extent of Jesus' knowledge was a compelling warrant for faith in his divine origin. At the end of his time on earth Jesus pressed Peter, "'Simon, son of John, do you love Me?' Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, 'Do you love Me?' And he said to Him, 'Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You' (John 21:17). Peter did not conclude from Jesus' knowledge of his heart that he knew all things; rather he concluded from the omniscience of Jesus that he knew his heart. "You know all things," is a general and unqualified statement that John's gospel presses on our minds.
The greatest thing that can be said of Jesus' knowledge is that he knows God perfectly. We know God partially and imperfectly. Jesus knows him like no other being knows him. He knows him the way an omniscient Person knows himself. "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him" (Matthew 11:27). No one but Jesus knows the Father immediately, completely and perfectly. Our knowledge of the Father depends wholly on Jesus' gracious revelation; it is derivative and partial and imperfect.
Nothing greater can be said about the knowledge of Jesus than that he knows God perfectly. All reality outside God is parochial compared to the infinite Reality that God is. What God has made is like a toy compared to the complexity and depth of what God is. All the sciences that scratch the surface of the created universe are the mere ABCs compared to Christ's exhaustive knowledge of the created universe. And this knowledge of the created universe is as a dewdrop on a blade of grass compared to the ocean of knowledge that Jesus has of the Being of God himself. God is infinite. The universe is finite. Knowledge of the infinite is infinite. Therefore to know God, as Jesus knows God, is to have infinite knowledge.
Therefore let us bow down and worship Jesus Christ. If we are impressed with the scholarship of man and the achievements of scientific knowledge, then let us not play the fool by trumpeting a tiny chirp and ignoring the thunder clap of omniscience. Jesus alone is worthy of our highest admiration. Jesus alone is worthy of our trust. He can show us the Father (Matthew 11:27). He can give us irresistible wisdom (Luke 21:15). He can see how to make all things work together for our good (Romans 8:28). None of his judgments about anything is ever mistaken (John 8:16). He teaches the way of God with infallible truthfulness (Matthew 22:16). Trust him. Admire him. Follow him.
Originally posted by sonshipyes, nobody says the bible didn't got better.Joshua captured all these royal cities and all their kings and annihilated them with the sword,
And the Christians must put to death the practices of the fallen body based upon the realization that the old man has been crucified and buried with Christ.
[b]"What then shall we say? Should we continue to sin that grace may abound? Abs ...[text shortened]... t in the believers, killing off the old way of living and germinating the living in the new man.
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
yes, nobody says the bible didn't got better.
the genocide of the canaanites doesn't get any less evil just because jesus showed a better, less abominable (this epithet is not strong enough) way.
i have an explanation: the bible is lying when it says the canaanites were slaughtered.
your explanation: god got bored with making his children kill off a whole group of his children and said enough?
New American Standard Bible
"Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.
International Standard Version
I tell all of you with certainty, it will be more bearable for the region of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town!"
King James Bible
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom on the day of judgment than for you."
Originally posted by sonshipgenocide is evil.yes, nobody says the bible didn't got better.
The revelation is progressive.
Romans doesn't follow Genesis.
We need some pictures for God's new covenant economy.
Just as it seems unbelievable to us that the old fallen nature could be so condemned by God to call for such a drastic dealing, so also we tend not to believe that ...[text shortened]... ich can naively underestimate the deep inroads of corruption can occupy the man created for God.
Originally posted by ZahlanziIn this thread I am discussing mainly the New Testament parallel to the conquest of the Good Land. There have been no discussions on this ever here. There have been plenty on arguing about the battles over the condemned societies of Canaan.
genocide is evil.
how are you still not getting this?
there are no justifications, no "let's look at this from a different angle"
genocide is evil and those who engage in it are evil.