01 Sep 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThat's something you can use to represent the number one.
Unity of all.
Truly, the number one is a concept...
Correct?
And where does it exist?
The concept of the number one exists in every man's mind which can be represented through the use of certain things on this world.
Even this (1) is a symbol representing the idea of the number one.
The unity of everything into one thing is another representation of the concept of one.
Correct?
01 Sep 07
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Originally posted by EinsteinMindYes, everything thought of by man is contained in conceptual models.
That's something you can use to represent the number one.
Truly, the number one is a concept...
Correct?
And where does it exist?
The concept of the number one exists in every man's mind which can be represented through the use of certain things on this world.
Even this (1) is a symbol representing the idea of the number one.
The unity of everything into one thing is another representation of the concept of one.
Correct?
With this being the Spirituality Forum and all, I was hoping that you were going for something along the lines of the idea of there being an ultimate reality that is beyond the conceptualization of man. An ultimate reality that is the unity of all.
01 Sep 07
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNot exactly. It's a proof of the God of Theism. Still Spirituality, correct?
Yes, everything thought of by man is contained in conceptual models.
With this being the Spirituality Forum and all, I was hoping that you were going for something along the lines of the idea of there being an ultimate reality that is beyond the conceptualization of man. An ultimate reality that is the unity of all.
Alright, so if the number one is a concept, if anyone changed the concept of the number one, the number one would cease to be the number one correct?
And this number one cannot have its origination traced. How long has the number one existed? It always has, ever since time began, correct? Not even the earliest human has explained the origination of the number one. Therefore, it must have existed before man ever did.
Therefore the conclusions here are that the number one is eternal and unchanging, unchanging from the first argument and eternal from the second.
01 Sep 07
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Originally posted by EinsteinMindSorry, but don't quit your day job 🙂
Not exactly. It's a proof of the God of Theism. Still Spirituality, correct?
Alright, so if the number one is a concept, if anyone changed the concept of the number one, the number one would cease to be the number one correct?
And this number one cannot have its origination traced. How long has the number one existed? It always has, ever since ti ...[text shortened]... one is eternal and unchanging, unchanging from the first argument and eternal from the second.
02 Sep 07
How the hell'd I miss?...
If you'd tell me what's wrong about it, then I'd listen. Tell me. Teach me.
Or is it not wrong and it's just a trite, overused argument?
I'm a senior in high school. You can't blame me for being inexperienced in philosophy, but I do read Apologetics books. I've read Geisler, at least. Oh, and Descartes.
Plus, I'm trying to remove the Bible from the discussion so noone can question the argument...
02 Sep 07
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Originally posted by EinsteinMindYou're asking the wrong fella. BBarr (PBUH) or even Doc Scribbles (trolling for chickens) might have been able to help. In the meantime, Google is your friend.
If you'd tell me what's wrong about it, then I'd listen. Tell me. Teach me.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#ObjOntArg
edit: Maybe LemonJello... I see him hanging about.
02 Sep 07
Originally posted by EinsteinMindWow. I really thought you were trying to be funny.
How the hell'd I miss?...
If you'd tell me what's wrong about it, then I'd listen. Tell me. Teach me.
Or is it not wrong and it's just a trite, overused argument?
I'm a senior in high school. You can't blame me for being inexperienced in philosophy, but I do read Apologetics books. I've read Geisler, at least. Oh, and Descartes.
Plus, I'm trying to remove the Bible from the discussion so noone can question the argument...
What is God?