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We're always asking/Arguing was Jesus God well did Jesus come to this earth and be born of the virgin and was Jesus also Human? (I think scripture is clear on this) but many people say Jesus is this or that......
Manny
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Apparently not as somehow meanings of clear scriptures change with the trinitys influance on them.
We're always asking/Arguing was Jesus God well did Jesus come to this earth and be born of the virgin and was Jesus also Human? (I think scripture is clear on this) but many people say Jesus is this or that......
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75He can be both as this is what the scriptures state.....Jesus was born of a women which means He had flesh and bone as this was God's plan to make redemption a reality.....You can fight this all you want with your ingrained beliefs but your fighting God not me. I don't understand either G-Man but that does not change what is. This Jesus was taken up into Heaven and He will also return and In John's vision in revelation the Lamb who is Jesus is seen bearing the scars and the vision is in Heaven so I don't know but you can read for yourself or take what your already been taught by your Organization.
Apparently not as somehow meanings of clear scriptures change with the trinitys influance on them.
For example somehow Jesus is not God's "first born" but is God himself.
"God cannot die", but according to you he did for 3 days.
"No man may see God and live", but yet you say tens of thousands of people have seen him.
"God is one God" but 1 now te in a normal world.
The trinitairians world though is much different it seems.
Originally posted by galveston75You don't seem to know what I said. Could that be because you did not pay any attention to what I said? Could that be why you seem to get amnesia all the time?
Apparently not as somehow meanings of clear scriptures change with the trinitys influance on them.
For example somehow Jesus is not God's "first born" but is God himself.
"God cannot die", but according to you he did for 3 days.
"No man may see God and live", but yet you say tens of thousands of people have seen him.
"God is one God" but 1 now ...[text shortened]... te in a normal world.
The trinitairians world though is much different it seems.
Originally posted by RJHindsPay attention to what? I know the trinity is false and of a pagan origin which many here can clearly see and they are not JW's. Being a JW has nothing to do with it one way or the other when it comes to what the bible says.
You don't seem to know what I said. Could that be because you did not pay any attention to what I said? Could that be why you seem to get amnesia all the time?
So I understand you believe Jesus is also Michael the Arch Angel. Was Michael also the Angel of the Lord that appeared to Moses? How does that all work?
The Instructor
Originally posted by menace71Well I do understand who they are and there is absolutely no confusion with it. I know how to explain it to anyone who wants to know unlike this constant searching and fumbling with scriptures and explinations or the lack of, the trinitairians have to deal with.
He can be both as this is what the scriptures state.....Jesus was born of a women which means He had flesh and bone as this was God's plan to make redemption a reality.....You can fight this all you want with your ingrained beliefs but your fighting God not me. I don't understand either G-Man but that does not change what is. This Jesus was taken up into H ...[text shortened]... u can read for yourself or take what your already been taught by your Organization.
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75Well, we do not want to listen to false teachings from the Watchtower. Jesus has already warned us of that.
Well I do understand who they are and there is absolutely no confusion with it. I know how to explain it to anyone who wants to know unlike this constant searching and fumbling with scriptures and explinations or the lack of, the trinitairians have to deal with.
I actually feel sorry for you guys and hope some day you'll finally see what the Bible is saying. But the trick is you have to be willing to "listen"....
For example somehow Jesus is not God's "first born" but is God himself.
"God cannot die", but according to you he did for 3 days.
Originally posted by menace71What do the scriptures teach? Not, what do men say the scriptures teach? But, what does the Word of God say concerning who Jesus is?
We're always asking/Arguing was Jesus God well did Jesus come to this earth and be born of the virgin and was Jesus also Human? (I think scripture is clear on this) but many people say Jesus is this or that......
Manny
Originally posted by josephwJesus has been given much power from his Father, a power and might he would not have without it being given to him.
What do the scriptures teach? Not, what do men say the scriptures teach? But, what does the Word of God say concerning who Jesus is?
That is what we need to find out. In this forum you will hear different voices all claiming to know who Jesus is, but who does God say that Jesus is?
Mathew 16:16,17
[b]And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the C ...[text shortened]... onoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Equal with God and worthy of the same honour.
Originally posted by galveston75Jesus said that He and His Father would come to make an abode with the ones who love Him.
Jesus has been given much power from his Father, a power and might he would not have without it being given to him.
But he has never been equal to his Father and will never be an equal to his Father.
Jesus is called a god an rightly so, but he will never be the Almighty God that his father is.
Originally posted by sonshipWhether he has or has not is not for you to judge is it? I don't think so.....
Jesus said that He and His Father would come to make an abode with the ones who love Him.
[b]"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
Has Jesus and the Father come to make an abode with you Galveston ?
That is the bottom line.[/b]
Originally posted by galveston75So what? You are going to be judged by the Son, not the Father. So if I were you, I would at least honor the Son as you do the Father. That honor includes calling Him God, like Thomas did when he said, "My Lord and my God."
Jesus has been given much power from his Father, a power and might he would not have without it being given to him.
But he has never been equal to his Father and will never be an equal to his Father.
Jesus is called a god an rightly so, but he will never be the Almighty God that his father is.