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@secondson saidI’m aware that you don’t like me and never have Jospeh; both in your current and previous user identities.
Nice little rant, but as inconsequential as the rest of your posts in this forum.
@secondson saidI’m aware that you don’t like me and never have Jospeh; both in your current and previous user identities.
Nice little rant, but as inconsequential as the rest of your posts in this forum.
@secondson saidWhat happened to your Christmas spirit? Have you had too many? 😉
Nice little rant, but as inconsequential as the rest of your posts in this forum.
@secondson saidHow can a "lifetime" membership card be "expired"?
My old friend, I'm so humble it makes me sick to think of how proud I really am. You are a genius, what with the way you trounced all over me in chess. But don't forget how I held you off to a draw in our last game.
Take my wallet, all you'll find in there is my lifetime membership card with the Moral Majority, expired. 😎
@suzianne saidI failed to read the fine print. 🤷🏻♂️
How can a "lifetime" membership card be "expired"?
Just asking. 🙂
@suzianne saidHow can an omnipotent and perfectly loving deity allow the innocent to suffer?
How can a "lifetime" membership card be "expired"?
Just asking. 🙂
@suzianne saidI believe it was a joke that just went over your head!!! 😛 😉
How can a "lifetime" membership card be "expired"?
Just asking. 🙂
@very-rusty saidRusty, I really wish your arrogant self would stop trying to presume that you're "teaching" me something. This attitude of yours gets really old, really fast.
I believe it was a joke that just went over your head!!! 😛 😉
You just put in part of what he posted, this is the full statement.
"Take my wallet, all you'll find in there is my lifetime membership card with the Moral Majority, expired".
-VR
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI don't think he does. I think sometimes what we perceive as suffering is really training for future trials. If we stop and listen, he does prepare us, but we do have to pay attention to 'get' the lesson.
How can an omnipotent and perfectly loving deity allow the innocent to suffer?
Just asking.
@divegeester saidOver 30 years ago at the San Antonio chess club I got into a discussion with an atheist who just happened to be the lifelong best friend of the pastor of the First Baptist Church of San Antonio. He spilled the beans to me about his friend being a "pretend" Christian. Three years later the pastor had to resign in disgrace when it became public knowledge.
My goodness, an atheist as an “old friend”, whatever next.
@suzianne saidThat may indeed apply in some cases, but what of the example put forward by the philosopher (who for the life of me I can't remember) who cited the innocent child dying of a terminal disease. If God is indeed all-powerful and all-loving why wouldn't he intercede? He rationalizes that there are only 2 explanations. Either God 'can't' or He 'won't.' - If He can't, then He is not all-powerful, and if He won't, then He is not perfectly loving. The suffering of the innocent makes it impossible for Him to be both.
I don't think he does. I think sometimes what we perceive as suffering is really training for future trials. If we stop and listen, he does prepare us, but we do have to pay attention to 'get' the lesson.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI've written about this before. We think it is horrible because if a life is taken, it's our life and we can't see what's coming. What if this life is but as a dream, and what comes next is the real life? We don't see the entirety of God's plan. Sometimes when a child is taken early, we say that God needed that soul right away, and we cannot see that what comes next is better. We also often say that a recently deceased person is now in a better place and atheists scoff and call us cold-hearted, because we don't know any better. There is no doubt that God does love us, even the sinner, for he gave his only begotten Son that we might live.
That may indeed apply in some cases, but what of the example put forward by the philosopher (who for the life of me I can't remember) who cited the innocent child dying of a terminal disease. If God is indeed all-powerful and all-loving why wouldn't he intercede? He rationalizes that there are only 2 explanations. Either God 'can't' or He 'won't.' - If He can't, then ...[text shortened]... ossible for Him to be both.
Not all those who suffer will have the opportunity for future trials.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat's a loaded question.
How can an omnipotent and perfectly loving deity allow the innocent to suffer?
@secondson saidMost Abrahamic books are a fraud and you cannot prove otherwise.
For the sake of discussion let's assume there is such a being, and we have His book that tells us how, who, what and why.
Seems simple enough to me! 🤷🏻♂️
@caissad4 saidYou know what book I'm referring to. Why post like a fraud?
Most Abrahamic books are a fraud and you cannot prove otherwise.
Perhaps you are referring to some other book ??
Some other god ?