1. SubscriberWajoma
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    11 Jul '08 03:57
    duecer says: "the proper place for this debate is in the spirituality forum."

    duecer says: "http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=0120&t=KJV

    (part of context is also cultural, and knowing when these are cultural issues, and when they are spiritual)"

    karnachz says: "The Bible also says that working on the Sabbath is a sin that's punishable by death (Exodus 35:2). Do you believe literally in everything that's written in the Bible?"

    pritybeta says: "So you think Jesus broke the law when he healed on the Sabbath, or his apostles when they picked corn on the Sabbath? The law about the Sabbath was a shadow of our rest in Christ. It was explainning that we will not be doing work when we are resting in Christ because we would have no need to do so."

    pritybeta says: "What you posted was only saying what the word 'man' may mean, however in most of the verses in the first few chapters of Genesis uses the phrase 'the man' meaning only one man, thus refering to Adam as the first man.

    I am not trying to say you are wrong here, I am just trying to find out what it is you are meaning. I will try to study more about this, however at this point I am not seeing anything that makes me believe that when Genesis is refering to Adam it is really meaning mankind."

    duecer says: "further into that site (I didn't want to post duel links) the use of Adam to mean the person is primarily used in the second chapter. In the first chapter the usage and inference is of mankind. Adam was created on the 8th day (second chapter) to tend to God's garden in Eden."
  2. Subscriberduecer
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    11 Jul '08 11:44
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    duecer says: "the proper place for this debate is in the spirituality forum."

    duecer says: "http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=0120&t=KJV

    (part of context is also cultural, and knowing when these are cultural issues, and when they are spiritual)"

    karnachz says: "The Bible also says that working on the Sabbath is a sin tha ...[text shortened]... as created on the 8th day (second chapter) to tend to God's garden in Eden."
    thanks W!
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    11 Jul '08 16:52
    With all the things in the world to worry about, you get bent over some words appearing in a category that YOU feel is inappropriate?
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    duecer, How is it that Adam was made on the 8th day when in Genesis chapter 2 the Bible states that there was not a man to till the ground?

    Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
    Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
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    11 Jul '08 17:44
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    duecer, How is it that Adam was made on the 8th day when in Genesis chapter 2 the Bible states that there was not a man to till the ground?

    Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, [b]in the day
    that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
    Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was i ...[text shortened]... God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.[/b]
    Gen 1: 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    27 So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he created them.

    28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

    29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

    31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

    Genesis 2

    1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

    2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
    Adam and Eve
    4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
    When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [b] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to the Hebrew for ground (adamah) it is also the name Adam (see Gen. 2:20). from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    I don't know...seams clear to me.
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    11 Jul '08 18:321 edit
    Originally posted by duecer
    Gen 1: 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    27 So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he crea e breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    I don't know...seams clear to me.
    If God made man before making Adam then there would have been a man to till the ground, however in Genesis chapter two it states there was not a man to till the ground, thus making Adam the first man. If you look at it the way you say then there would have been man already, so why then would God go and make another when he has already made some? Why couldn't he have just got one of the others to do it? And why would the deffinition of Adam state him as being the first man?

    1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
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    11 Jul '08 18:57
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    If God made man before making Adam then there would have been a man to till the ground, however in Genesis chapter two it states there was not a man to till the ground, thus making Adam the first man. If you look at it the way you say then there would have been man already, so why then would God go and make another when he has already made some? Why could ...[text shortened]... written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
    your logic is called circular reasoning.e.g. it is because I said so, and because I said so it is.

    Do you honestly believe that all human beings are descendants of Adam and Eve? God made science and the laws of nature when he created the universe. Adam and Eve are not a big enough gene pool to populate the earth, after for or five generations there would have been horrible and grotesque birth defects, to the point where reproduction would become impossible. It says thatafter cain slew Abel, God placed on him a mark, and he fled to Nod, married and built a city, for whom did he build a city, and who exactly do you think he married?
    Your interpretation of scripture here is not plausible.
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    11 Jul '08 19:10
    Originally posted by duecer
    your logic is called circular reasoning.e.g. it is because I said so, and because I said so it is.

    Do you honestly believe that all human beings are descendants of Adam and Eve? God made science and the laws of nature when he created the universe. Adam and Eve are not a big enough gene pool to populate the earth, after for or five generations there would h ...[text shortened]... nd who exactly do you think he married?
    Your interpretation of scripture here is not plausible.
    So insted of focusing on answering my questions you resort to this? Wow, and here I thought I may learn something other than what I though to be true. If you can not answer my questions then you must not have that great of an interpretation yourself.

    Do you believe that the Lord could not have keep the birth defects form happening? And what says Adam and Eve didn't have any other children before Cain and Abel? The Bible doesn't say that Cain and Abel were Adam's and Eve's first born.
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    11 Jul '08 21:57
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    So insted of focusing on answering my questions you resort to this? Wow, and here I thought I may learn something other than what I though to be true. If you can not answer my questions then you must not have that great of an interpretation yourself.

    Do you believe that the Lord could not have keep the birth defects form happening? And what says Adam a ...[text shortened]... re Cain and Abel? The Bible doesn't say that Cain and Abel were Adam's and Eve's first born.
    I have been more than patient with your ignorance. It is no wonder that you don't attend a church, no church on the planet can live up to your standard.
    I shall waste no further time reposting my arguments which are abundantly clear.
    Having said that, I wish you a long and happy life. Good day.
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