1. Standard memberNemesio
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    21 May '05 05:17
    Originally posted by Metamorphosis
    ...in spirituality, there are phases [of maturity]. They are basically, exoteric, mesoteric,
    esoteric. Outer, middle, inner.

    Jesus himself spoke about words "for those who could hear". All great teachers have made
    references to levels of comprehension.

    Exoteric is religious, in its organized form. It is based on blind acceptance of doctrine.

    Mesoteric is the level at which the individual actually attempts to improve their quality as
    a person, rather than simply relying on authorities or doctrine.

    Esoteric is the level at which you begin to take full responsibility for your mind, and its
    powerful capacities for generating illusions. This is the beginning of the enlightenment
    process. It's the spiritual equivalent of "growing up". Through it, you learn to filter out
    religious distortions and see more clearly into the nature of reality. You begin to grasp
    how the wise teachers of history were all more or less saying the same thing, when freed
    from the fundamentalist trappings that accumulated around their words over many
    centuries of time.


    Thich Nhat Hahn does not eschew religious ritual. He says that one who has reached the
    esoteric stage of spirituality can still find fulfillment in what ostensibly seems as exoteric
    religion. When he is in a church, he communes and is spiritually fed by the symbols of
    bread and wine.

    He opines that once a person reaches the level of mindfulness which can detach the
    fundamentalist trappings from the positive, spiritual aspects of religion, experiencing that
    ritual can reinforce spirituality. He writes that one's tradition is a means of coming
    to understand the Divine. One can let the external (exoteric) influence the internal
    (esoteric) through mindful meditation and contemplation.

    And, while a person ought to be opened to the spirituality inherent in all exoteric
    religious traditions, he has no objection to a person finding greater ease in achieving a
    mindful state in the context of one particular religious medium as compared with another.

    Nemesio
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    21 May '05 05:50
    To explain the unexplainable, to comfort those who are dying, and to solace those who are left, waiting.
  3. Standard memberRBHILL
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    21 May '05 16:08
    The purpose of religions in the world is man trying to find God.

    But the purpose of Jesus is God seeking man.
  4. Felicific Forest
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    21 May '05 17:02
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    The purpose of religions in the world is man trying to find God.

    But the purpose of Jesus is God seeking man.

    Simple and true.
  5. SubscriberBigDoggProblem
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    22 May '05 04:55
    Originally posted by ivanhoe

    Simple and true.
    Whap!
    Whap!
    Whap!

    Hear the sound of the virtual backslaps!
  6. Standard memberColetti
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    22 May '05 05:01
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Whap!
    Whap!
    Whap!

    Hear the sound of the virtual backslaps!
    I associate that sound with tail wagging. Good doggy.
  7. Subscriberno1marauder
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    22 May '05 05:40
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    The purpose of religions in the world is man trying to find God.

    But the purpose of Jesus is God seeking man.
    Why would an all-powerful, all-knowing being have to "seek" man? Is this a fundie one-liner?
  8. Copenhagen
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    22 May '05 11:31
    The purpose of religions in the world today is a mean to control the masses. As Marx put it: Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
  9. Felicific Forest
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    22 May '05 14:57
    Originally posted by nickybutt
    The purpose of religions in the world today is a mean to control the masses. As Marx put it: Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. [b]It is the opium of the people.[/b]

    Do you think it should be legalised ?
  10. SubscriberBigDoggProblem
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    22 May '05 15:38
    Originally posted by Coletti
    I associate that sound with tail wagging. Good doggy.
    Why don't you also give Ivanhoe and RBHILL a virtual backslap in the name o' Jesus.
  11. Standard memberRBHILL
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    22 May '05 16:26
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Why would an all-powerful, all-knowing being have to "seek" man? Is this a fundie one-liner?
    Because we are all sinners and God doesn't want sin in his presents in heaven, so you or Jesus will have to pay for your sins.

  12. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    22 May '05 16:45
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Because we are all sinners and God doesn't want sin in his presents in heaven, so you or Jesus will have to pay for your sins.

    No sin in his presents? Is that like sexual toys? I think you'd need to be an idiot to get him a gift like that!

    ES
  13. Standard memberRBHILL
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    22 May '05 16:51
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    No sin in his presents? Is that like sexual toys? I think you'd need to be an idiot to get him a gift like that!

    ES
    Read the last part of the Book of Revelation and it tell you the people who are not written in the book of life.

  14. The sky
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    22 May '05 18:311 edit
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Read the last part of the Book of Revelation and it tell you the people who are not written in the book of life.

    <exasperated gasp> Don't you have any sense of humour? In case you didn't notice, Phlabibit was playing on your spelling mistake ("presents" instead of "presence" ).
  15. Standard memberfrogstomp
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    22 May '05 18:34
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Read the last part of the Book of Revelation and it tell you the people who are not written in the book of life.

    "THE END"
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