The real face of atheism.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i think you have a point Dasa, the materialistic society in which we find ourselves
produces this type of a-moral behaviour. Eat and drink for tomorrow we may die is the
motto. Meism and self interest permeate the thinking and when combined with secular
liberalism which recognises no absolutes, this type of drunken melee surely foments. I
...[text shortened]... standards. Materialist is a better term, for it encompasses both theist and non
theist alike.

What a load of tripe.

Drunkenness and violence has been a part of British society since we discovered beer. To make out that it's a recent problem connected to secular liberalism is frankly laughable. Do you read history books or have they been banished along with science books?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Tell me how as an atheist how i behave.

Well I do not know you personally to be able to comment.

Understand something please -when I talk of atheism as I do - I do not harbour malicious feelings towards anyone.

My spirituality has allowed me to see every person as the real spiritual spirit soul that they really are - and my harsh words are not actually reflecting my true feelings towards each person.

Believe it or not my true feelings are of compassion and care.

I must say one thing about you though......

I have noticed a change in your attitude because many many months ago you were somewhat aggressive in manner and now you have seemed to have mellowed out.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What a load of tripe.

Drunkenness and violence has been a part of British society since we discovered beer. To make out that it's a recent problem connected to secular liberalism is frankly laughable. Do you read history books or have they been banished along with science books?

my dear friend, do you not think that i am aware of this fact, the phrase, 'Let us eat and
drink for tomorrow we shall die' is a Biblical one, a firm favourite of the ancient
Epicureans, more than two thousand years ago. I never stated that it was a recent
phenomena, merely citing what appears to me to be the reasons. Are you saying that if
Sydney was full of persons adhering to Biblical principles these things would ensue? I
think not! because wisdom is proven righteous by its works!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
my dear friend, do you not think that i am aware of this fact, the phrase, 'Let us eat and
drink for tomorrow we shall die' is a Biblical one, a firm favourite of the ancient
Epicureans, more than two thousand years ago. I never stated that it was a recent
phenomena, merely citing what appears to me to be the reasons. Are you saying that if ...[text shortened]... les these things would ensue? I
think not! because wisdom is proven righteous by its works!

Seeing how secular liberalism is a recent trend i can hardly see it as a reason for drunken violence in the Middle Ages.

If Sydney was full of people adhering to Biblical principles they might very well be going round killing all homosexuals, all atheists, all those who don't follow Christianity, and those who wear clothes made from more than two types of thread. In fact Sydney would be a bloodbath if it was full of people following Biblical principles, it would make what happens today seem like a Church Sunday afternoon tea party.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
my dear friend, do you not think that i am aware of this fact, the phrase, 'Let us eat and
drink for tomorrow we shall die' is a Biblical one, a firm favourite of the ancient
Epicureans, more than two thousand years ago. I never stated that it was a recent
phenomena, merely citing what appears to me to be the reasons. Are you saying that if ...[text shortened]... les these things would ensue? I
think not! because wisdom is proven righteous by its works!

But neither Epicurus nor any from the Epicurean school used that phrase in any of their written work. A better motto would be "Let us endeavor to be content with what we have, and unperturbed by empty fears, for life is all we have and death is nothing." I'm not sure why the Epicureans have been painted as simply hedonists. They were much more sophisticated than, say, the Cyrenaics (who really did think we should go after sensual pleasure). Ah, well, I wouldn't expect Paul to be able to figure any of this stuff out.

Originally posted by Dasa
Well I do not know you personally to be able to comment.

Understand something please -when I talk of atheism as I do - I do not harbour malicious feelings towards anyone.

My spirituality has allowed me to see every person as the real spiritual spirit soul that they really are - and my harsh words are not actually reflecting my true feelings towards each p ...[text shortened]... months ago you were somewhat aggressive in manner and now you have seemed to have mellowed out.

Well I do not know you personally to be able to comment.

Yet you can make grand sweeping statements about atheists in general?! How does that work?

Believe it or not my true feelings are of compassion and care.

Compassion and care are not two words i would associate with you judging from what i've read of your posts over the last 18 months or so.

I have noticed a change in your attitude because many many months ago you were somewhat aggressive in manner and now you have seemed to have mellowed out.

I realised i was taking myself and life too seriously. Although i can assure you aggression is never my intended motive in my posts.

Originally posted by bbarr
But neither Epicurus nor any from the Epicurean school used that phrase in any of their written work. A better motto would be "Let us endeavor to be content with what we have, and unperturbed by empty fears, for life is all we have and death is nothing." I'm not sure why the Epicureans have been painted as simply hedonists. They were much more sophisticated ...[text shortened]... ual pleasure). Ah, well, I wouldn't expect Paul to be able to figure any of this stuff out.

yes because lets face it, having studied at the feet of Gamaliel, having been a Roman
citizen, having spoken several languages, having a knowledge of contemporary Greek
literature (please sea Acts 17:23) and having lived in that epoch you are in a much
better position to judge what he knew and what he did not concerning the epicureans.
You pompous fool, get a grip! The statement was of course not taken verbatim, but
you of course never knew that! cause you dont read the Bible.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Seeing how secular liberalism is a recent trend i can hardly see it as a reason for drunken violence in the Middle Ages.

If Sydney was full of people adhering to Biblical principles they might very well be going round killing all homosexuals, all atheists, all those who don't follow Christianity, and those who wear clothes made from more than two type ...[text shortened]... cal principles, it would make what happens today seem like a Church Sunday afternoon tea party.

its not given as a reason for violence in the middle ages, its given as a reason for
licentious behaviour in this period. There is no mandate to kill homos in the Christian
Greek scriptures, nor to round up atheists, nor to prohibit the wearing of garments
made of certain types of cloth, nor can you find any with which to qualify your
statement, in other words, you have made it up! Sydney would not be a bloodbath,
infact, i dare say it would be as near to a paradise as you can get this side of
Armageddon.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes because lets face it, having studied at the feet of Gamaliel, having been a Roman
citizen, having spoken several languages, having a knowledge of contemporary Greek
literature (please sea Acts 17:1) and having lived in that epoch you are in a much
better position to judge what he knew and what he did not concerning the epicureans.
You pom ...[text shortened]... f course not taken verbatim, but
you of course never knew that! cause you dont read the Bible.

Yeah, you're right. I only have the benefit of having read all the extant Epicurean literature, and having over two millennia of scholarly analysis of Greek philosophy to draw on. The funny thing is, it's perfectly clear from Epicurus' own work that your proffered motto is misleading. You don't find anything close to that sentiment, or the naive Hedonism that you think it indicates, in the Epicurean corpus. But you wouldn't know that, since you don't read any Greek philosophy; you just regurgitate what you read in your silly little book.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its not given as a reason for violence in the middle ages, its given as a reason for
licentious behaviour in this period. There is no mandate to kill homos in the Christian
Greek scriptures, nor to round up atheists, nor to prohibit the wearing of garments
made of certain types of cloth, nor can you find any with which to qualify your
statem ...[text shortened]...
infact, i dare say it would be as near to a paradise as you can get this side of
Armageddon.

There is no mandate to kill homos in the Christian Greek scriptures.

I know that, but that's not what you said now is it? Let me remind you -

Are you saying that if Sydney was full of persons adhering to Biblical principles these things would ensue?

Cheeky little change of terms there Roberto, now was that an accidental slip or did you change that deliberately? Now remember, no lying!!!

As for your other point, i'll get to that when we clear this little episode up.

Originally posted by bbarr
Yeah, you're right. I only have the benefit of having read all the extant Epicurean literature, and having over two millennia of scholarly analysis of Greek philosophy to draw on. The funny thing is, it's perfectly clear from Epicurus' own work that your proffered motto is misleading. You don't find anything close to that sentiment, or the naive Hedonism th t read any Greek philosophy; you just regurgitate what you read in your silly little book.

Yes, robbie also just regurgitates what he reads in Watchtower publications too. He is allergic to actual research.

Originally posted by LemonJello
Yes, robbie also just regurgitates what he reads in Watchtower publications too. He is allergic to actual research.

Oh, that's right, I forgot. He's part of the blood-cult.

Originally posted by bbarr
Yeah, you're right. I only have the benefit of having read all the extant Epicurean literature, and having over two millennia of scholarly analysis of Greek philosophy to draw on. The funny thing is, it's perfectly clear from Epicurus' own work that your proffered motto is misleading. You don't find anything close to that sentiment, or the naive Hedonism th ...[text shortened]... t read any Greek philosophy; you just regurgitate what you read in your silly little book.

I read Platonic philosophy when i was fourteen, but the again it never seemed to make
me a pompous windbag the way it has you, is it a self perpetuating pomp, you know,
wind on pomp-mill, pomp mill makes wind.

Originally posted by LemonJello
Yes, robbie also just regurgitates what he reads in Watchtower publications too. He is allergic to actual research.

haha, such a cheapo, dont you have some crow to train to drop stones into a glass of
water and claim its using tools, some fish to test its consciousness? some rabbit that
has written a thesis?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]There is no mandate to kill homos in the Christian Greek scriptures.

I know that, but that's not what you said now is it? Let me remind you -

Are you saying that if Sydney was full of persons adhering to Biblical principles these things would ensue?

Cheeky little change of terms there Roberto, now was that an acciden ...[text shortened]... no lying!!!

As for your other point, i'll get to that when we clear this little episode up.[/b]

the Christian Greek scriptures have superseded those of the Mosaic law, never the less
i had forgotten how tricky and pedantic you noobsters can be, shall l rephrase the
term, Christian principles so that your argument may disintegrate into nothingness 🙂