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    17 Jun '08 12:47
    I have noticed that whenever a question tto do with religion is raised, there are a number of theists quite ready to give a highly comprehensive answer with extreme confidence. Theists often sound extemely sure of themselves, even when what they are saying disagrees with all the other theists who are saying something different with equal confidence.
    In addition, they may even give a different answer on different occasions yet sound equally confident both times.

    Why are theists so sure of themeselves?
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    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I have noticed that whenever a question tto do with religion is raised, there are a number of theists quite ready to give a highly comprehensive answer with extreme confidence. Theists often sound extemely sure of themselves, even when what they are saying disagrees with all the other theists who are saying something different with equal confidence.
    In a ...[text shortened]... ent occasions yet sound equally confident both times.

    Why are theists so sure of themeselves?
    why do black people like watermelons and chickin? why are scots and jews so greedy and cheap? why do all chinese people know kung fu?

    let's discuss all stereotypes.
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    17 Jun '08 13:061 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    why do black people like watermelons and chickin? why are scots and jews so greedy and cheap? why do all chinese people know kung fu?

    let's discuss all stereotypes.
    Why? Are you afraid of being discussed? Are are you claiming that I am incorrectly stereo typing theists? If you read my post again, I did try to qualify my statements as not neccesarily including all theists.
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    17 Jun '08 13:321 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Why? Are you afraid of being discussed? Are are you claiming that I am incorrectly stereo typing theists? If you read my post again, I did try to qualify my statements as not neccesarily including all theists.
    ... and you just called him a scaredy-cat ... good work

    *edit* As a side note: while checking my spelling on "scaredy-cat", I discovered it was a reference to a Warner Bros. "Sylvester the Cat" sketch done in 1948 -- did anyone know that?
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    17 Jun '08 13:52
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Why? Are you afraid of being discussed? Are are you claiming that I am incorrectly stereo typing theists? If you read my post again, I did try to qualify my statements as not neccesarily including all theists.
    there is no such thing as correctly stereotyping anyone.
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    17 Jun '08 13:55
    Originally posted by forkedknight
    *edit* As a side note: while checking my spelling on "scaredy-cat", I discovered it was a reference to a Warner Bros. "Sylvester the Cat" sketch done in 1948 -- did anyone know that?
    There was an episode by that name, but I can find no reference that implies that that was the origin of the phrase. Do you have any references to that effect?
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    17 Jun '08 14:14
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I have noticed that whenever a question tto do with religion is raised, there are a number of theists quite ready to give a highly comprehensive answer with extreme confidence. Theists often sound extemely sure of themselves, even when what they are saying disagrees with all the other theists who are saying something different with equal confidence.
    In a ...[text shortened]... ent occasions yet sound equally confident both times.

    Why are theists so sure of themeselves?
    actually the atheists in this forum seem to be as sure of their belief system as any theist anywhere.

    you are a prime example.
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    17 Jun '08 14:14
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    There was an episode by that name, but I can find no reference that implies that that was the origin of the phrase. Do you have any references to that effect?
    Sure enough, not the "origin" per se, although it would appear the word is not much older than that. According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, the first known use of the term 'scaredy-cat' was in 1933.
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    17 Jun '08 14:291 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I have noticed that whenever a question tto do with religion is raised, there are a number of theists quite ready to give a highly comprehensive answer with extreme confidence. Theists often sound extemely sure of themselves, even when what they are saying disagrees with all the other theists who are saying something different with equal confidence.
    In a ...[text shortened]... ent occasions yet sound equally confident both times.

    Why are theists so sure of themeselves?
    Many "salvation by grace" Christians seem to be quite prideful. I suspect that this might be borne from dichotomies of their theology such as:

    1) They believe that sin is separation from God, yet they continue to sin whilst believing that professing belief that Jesus is their savior saves them from sin.

    2) They take Jesus as their "Lord", yet they follow the extrapolations of others whilst all but ignoring the words of Jesus.

    Paradoxically they see God as the God of truth.

    Perhaps their "confidence" is required to compensate for this lack of coherence. Perhaps they can hold two contrary beliefs to be true, because their theology dictates that they must.
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    17 Jun '08 14:552 edits
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Many "salvation by grace" Christians seem to be quite prideful. I suspect that this might be borne from dichotomies of their theology such as:

    1) They believe that sin is separation from God, yet they continue to sin whilst believing that professing belief that Jesus is their savior saves them from sin.

    2) They take Jesus as their "Lord", yet they can hold two contrary beliefs to be true, because their theology dictates that they must.
    Did you ever do a serious word study of the Bible?

    For example did you ever decide to look up the word "salvation" or "saved" and see in how many ways, if more than one, the word is used?

    This is a good excercise. All it takes is a good Concordance and Bible.


    Some of us who are really serious about wanting to comprehend this book don't just go by what folks may SAY pro or con. We study.

    What does "salvation" imply in the Bible? Are there different usages of the word "salvation"? That is a good afternoon's word study of the Bible which would be profitable to the serious student.
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    17 Jun '08 15:191 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I have noticed that whenever a question tto do with religion is raised, there are a number of theists quite ready to give a highly comprehensive answer with extreme confidence. Theists often sound extemely sure of themselves, even when what they are saying disagrees with all the other theists who are saying something different with equal confidence.
    In a ...[text shortened]... ent occasions yet sound equally confident both times.

    Why are theists so sure of themeselves?
    Hmmm, ... good question, ... I'm not sure 😉
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    17 Jun '08 16:43
    Originally posted by dizzyfingers
    Hmmm, ... good question, ... I'm not sure 😉
    I think they're so sure of themselves because they know that, if they're not, they won't be able to convert anyone to their cause.
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    17 Jun '08 17:03
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Why are theists so sure of themeselves?
    Sometimes it's a defense mechanism to cope with fear of death, fear of the unknown, and fear of lacking purpose.
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    17 Jun '08 22:16
    Originally posted by jaywill
    Did you ever do a serious word study of the Bible?

    For example did you ever decide to look up the word "salvation" or "saved" and see in how many ways, if more than one, the word is used?

    This is a good excercise. All it takes is a good Concordance and Bible.


    Some of us who are really serious about wanting to comprehend this book don't just go ...[text shortened]... afternoon's word study of the Bible which would be profitable to the serious student.
    ToO cannot learn anything , he already knows the truth. He's just accused Christians of the very thing he does himself. He's about as c**k sure as they come.
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    17 Jun '08 22:321 edit
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Many "salvation by grace" Christians seem to be quite prideful. I suspect that this might be borne from dichotomies of their theology such as:

    1) They believe that sin is separation from God, yet they continue to sin whilst believing that professing belief that Jesus is their savior saves them from sin.

    2) They take Jesus as their "Lord", yet they can hold two contrary beliefs to be true, because their theology dictates that they must.
    It's always "christians this...christians that......" and always about other people and their faults. You talk about overcoming sin and Jesus etc etc but you won't talk about yourself and your own struggle with sin. You don't say how you practice Jesus being your Lord but see fit to focus everything outwardly at others whilst ignoring what's happening with yourself.

    You are primarily a sniper at others without having the guts to reveal anything about yourself and whether you really live up to what you preach. You are not prepared to share your walk but see fit to talk the talk anyway when you have not earned the right. Now there's a real dichotomy! (or is it hypocrisy? )

    You are so darned sure of your position (even though it's not a real position more of a snipe because you can't back it up with anything from your life) and what you are doing here is projecting what is within you on to others because you cannot own it yourself.

    I actually think it is you who is compensating for an incoherent , fragile position because you just cannot deal with anything other than simplistic , polarised truths.


    (BTW- Who are "they"? Just how many of the world's Christians have you actually met ? )

    You teach what you most need to learn.
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