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@fmf said
When it comes to God/Gods, there are as many "brands of truth" as there are religions. The brand of "truth" you are referring to is something about which you can only speculate. And all you do is share your opinions and/or assertions about your faith.

If we were talking about things that we could prove, they wouldn't be matters of faith, and since anything, we can make assertions about anything, much can fall into that bucket, even things about the so-called "natural universe." It isn't like you know how all of it started, but if you have any beliefs about it, you could submit them, and if you cannot come up with any, that is what we call blind faith.

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I am glad I could set a standard for you.

@kellyjay said
If we were talking about things that we could prove, they wouldn't be matters of faith, and since anything, we can make assertions about anything, much can fall into that bucket, even things about the so-called "natural universe." It isn't like you know how all of it started, but if you have any beliefs about it, you could submit them, and if you cannot come up with any, that is what we call blind faith.

We don't know how the universe started. Neither of us does. I'm just being honest about that.

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KellyJay once claimed that I have "blind faith" in NOT being tortured for eternity as if his personal subscription to the torturer God ideology actually creates jeopardy for me.

@fmf said
KellyJay once claimed that I have "blind faith" in NOT being tortured for eternity as if his personal subscription to the torturer God ideology actually creates jeopardy for me.

It is difficult for you not to talk about the people who engage with you.

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How did it all start dive? What is it you believe and why?

@fmf said
We don't know how the universe started. Neither of us does. I'm just being honest about that.

We all believe something about it; some have reasons for our beliefs, others do not. What about you? Do you have reasons for what you believe or not?

@kellyjay said
It is difficult for you not to talk about the people who engage with you.

The only things you offer up for us to "talk about" are your personal opinions. So, it's inevitable that a personal conversation between two people is going to involve them talking about each other's beliefs. Having said that, I see what you have done here, yet again. Your dodge is noted.

@kellyjay said
We all believe something about it; some have reasons for our beliefs, others do not. What about you? Do you have reasons for what you believe or not?

I believe that nobody knows.

@fmf said
I believe that nobody knows.

So no need to talk about it?

@kellyjay said
So no need to talk about it?

So, it leaves us with issues of morality, how we live our lives, codes for living, the human condition, sexuality, raising children, the public domain, poverty, health, justice, history, psychology, anthropology etc. Plenty to talk about.

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You realize that the point I've been making is that we (people) only have our opinions, and we make assertions, and that truth is what we are looking for. You have continually missed the point; you are too focused on people that you fail to see what is being said; you are both more interested in attacking others than listening to them.