Originally posted by @romans1009Your assertions about "wanting to know" your god figure with regard to someone like Ghost of a Duke have no bearing on the thing you are claiming about his intellectual capacity.
See my most recent post (before this one.)
And if God revealed Himself through the Bible, it only makes sense to rely on what the Bible says if you want to know God.
You can’t claim you want to know God and at the same time say He doesn’t exist. You could logically say you want to know God and are not sure if He exists.
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Originally posted by @rajk999Rajk you still haven't answered the question and it's quite obvious why you haven't.
Nonsense. You have been told before that Jesus saved the thief on the cross because ... read it ... read it over and over ...
HIS HEART WAS RIGHT WITH GOD. Had he lived Jesus knew he would have lived a good and righteous life. Hence he went to paradise with Christ.
Professions of faith saves nobody. Professions of faith + obedience to God = etern ...[text shortened]... hrist.
For you to start a whole thread just for this demonstrates how false your doctrine is.
What made his heart right with God? Was it his faith or his good works? Or both? Or something else?
Originally posted by @fmfHis intellectual capacity has no more to do with it than my intellectual capacity has to do with my lack of knowledge regarding automotive repairs.
Your assertions about "wanting to know" your god figure with regard to someone like Ghost of a Duke have no bearing on the thing you are claiming about his intellectual capacity.
My contention is he (or anyone) who examines the evidence for Jesus Christ’s Resurrection and reads the Bible, and does both undertakings with an open mind and open heart, and sincerely asks God to make His presence known will gain spiritual understanding and the “special knowledge” you refer to.
Originally posted by @romans1009Automotive repairs have nothing to do with supernatural phenomena and religious faith. Trying to fashion an analogy out of it is a dud. Try it on someone else. If you want to row back from what you said on page 3, the claim you made that triggered this discussion, then be my guest.
His intellectual capacity has no more to do with it than my intellectual capacity has to do with my lack of knowledge regarding automotive repairs.
Originally posted by @romans1009You wrote what you wrote.
I never imagined you could interpret that as me saying Ghost was not capable of something. He’s capable of it if he wants it. If he doesn’t want it, he’s not. How is that different from anything else in life?
Originally posted by @fmfRather than acknowledge Ghost (or anyone) could acquire spiritual understanding - and I never claimed he couldn’t; I just said he *presently* lacked it - you choose to take a misguided potshot and repeat a previous blunder.
Automotive repairs have nothing to do with supernatural phenomena and religious faith. Trying to fashion an analogy out of it is a dud. Try it on someone else. If you want to row back from what you said on page 3, the claim you made that triggered this discussion, then be my guest.
Is that the debate equivalent of a spite check? Why not just resign?
Originally posted by @romans1009Assertions of your personal religious faith have no impact on Ghost of a Duke's intellectual capacities.
My contention is he (or anyone) who examines the evidence for Jesus Christ’s Resurrection and reads the Bible, and does both undertakings with an open mind and open heart, and sincerely asks God to make His presence known will gain spiritual understanding and the “special knowledge” you refer to.
Originally posted by @romans1009I don't see you as having some distinct knowledge that can be described as "spiritual understanding".
Rather than acknowledge Ghost (or anyone) could acquire spiritual understanding - and I never claimed he couldn’t; I just said he *presently* lacked it - you choose to take a misguided potshot and repeat a previous blunder.
I think you just have some dogma from one of the world's retail religions that you have memorized, internalized and that you like to recite here.
This has led to you convincing yourself that you have some intellectual capacity that a non-believer like Ghost of a Duke does not.
The self-debilitatingly pretentious Philokalia echoed your self-puffing personal opinion when he offered this: Some people, at the end of the day, even though they may be entirely functional and even intelligent, just don't have the wisdom necessary to grasp these things and are foolish.
Originally posted by @fmf<<I don't see you as having some distinct knowledge that can be described as "spiritual understanding".>>
I don't see you as having some distinct knowledge that can be described as "spiritual understanding".
I think you just have some dogma from one of the world's retail religions that you have memorized, internalized and that you like to recite here.
This has led to you convincing yourself that you have some intellectual capacity that a non-believer like Gh ...[text shortened]... en intelligent, just don't have the wisdom necessary to grasp these things and are foolish. [/b]
How could you? If you are the “natural man” referred to in 1 Corinthians 2:14 - and as an atheist, you are - how could you recognize whether someone has spiritual understanding?
Originally posted by @romans1009Your so-called "spiritual understanding" is simply knowledge of the tenets of your religion in harness with certainty that they are true. It's not some "different plane" of understanding as you insist. It's just doctrine that you regurgitate and that you think gives you some intellectual capacity ~ that you say Ghost of a Duke doesn't have ~ simply because you believe it.
How could you? If you are the “natural man” referred to in 1 Corinthians 2:14 - and as an atheist, you are - how could you recognize whether someone has spiritual understanding?
Your assertions about this seem to have close to 100% emotional content. If those emotions make sense of life for you, good. But they do not create some 'special knowledge' or 'special understanding' that reveals non-believers to be lacking in intellect. I suggest you keep assertions like these for when you are preaching to the choir.
Originally posted by @fmf<<I think you just have some dogma from one of the world's retail religions that you have memorized, internalized and that you like to recite here.>>
I don't see you as having some distinct knowledge that can be described as "spiritual understanding".
I think you just have some dogma from one of the world's retail religions that you have memorized, internalized and that you like to recite here.
This has led to you convincing yourself that you have some intellectual capacity that a non-believer like Gh ...[text shortened]... en intelligent, just don't have the wisdom necessary to grasp these things and are foolish. [/b]
As a “natural man,” you would naturally think this. It’s hardly a surprise. But what you think is memorization is actually one of the gifts of God’s Holy Spirit indwelling me.
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
(John 14:26)
<<This has led to you convincing yourself that you have some intellectual capacity that a non-believer like Ghost of a Duke does not.>>
You’re making the same mistake all over again (or don’t understand what intellectual capacity means.) My contention is Ghost could gain spiritual understanding in the ways I previously mentioned. He already has the intellectual capacity; he just doesn’t have what you refer to as “special knowledge,” but what is better described as “spiritual understanding.”
Originally posted by @fmfThanks for reply, but your angry word salad doesn’t address this point:
Your so-called "spiritual understanding" is simply knowledge of the tenets of your religion in harness with certainty that they are true. It's not some "different plane" of understanding as you insist. It's just doctrine that you regurgitate and that you think gives you some intellectual capacity ~ that you say Ghost of a Duke doesn't have ~ simply because you ...[text shortened]... in intellect. I suggest you keep assertions like these for when you are preaching to the choir.
If you are the “natural man” referred to in 1 Corinthians 2:14 - and as an atheist, you are - how could you recognize whether someone has spiritual understanding?
So you acknowledge you don’t have spiritual understanding but can tell if someone else has it?
Good luck untwisting that illogical pretzel you’ve constructed.
Originally posted by @romans1009You are just someone using lazy rhetorical gimmicks to propagate his religion on a message board. I have not seen or heard anything from you since you arrived here to suggest that there is anything supernatural about you or the way you think.
As a “natural man,” you would naturally think this. It’s hardly a surprise. But what you think is memorization is actually one of the gifts of God’s Holy Spirit indwelling me.
You are like the people here around me who place great store on being able to recite verbatim great tracts from their holy book.
I do not think for one moment that they have some special knowledge or "spiritual understanding" that the likes and you and I do not have the intellectual ability to "grasp". Same goes for you and your “natural man" nonsense aimed at Ghost of a Duke.