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Was he saved by faith, works or both? I imagine Rajk is going to shy away from this one because it blows his entire saved by works doctrine out of the water.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNonsense. You have been told before that Jesus saved the thief on the cross because ... read it ... read it over and over ...
Was he saved by faith, works or both? I imagine Rajk is going to shy away from this one because it blows his entire saved by works doctrine out of the water.
Originally posted by @rajk999Only Jesus knows which is which and therefore only Jesus can judge these things. You cannot, the pastor cannot. .. only Jesus Christ.
Nonsense. You have been told before that Jesus saved the thief on the cross because ... read it ... read it over and over ...
HIS HEART WAS RIGHT WITH GOD. Had he lived Jesus knew he would have lived a good and righteous life. Hence he went to paradise with Christ.
Professions of faith saves nobody. Professions of faith + obedience to God = etern ...[text shortened]... hrist.
For you to start a whole thread just for this demonstrates how false your doctrine is.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat is it that you have "claimed" by citing the story of the "thief on the cross"?
By the way no one has ever claimed that simply a profession of faith saves us.
Originally posted by @fmfThere is a vast difference between a profession of faith and believing in something in your heart.
What is it that you have "claimed" by citing the story of the "thief on the cross"?
Originally posted by @menace71God also showed His gracious mercy by using Saul of Tarsus (later renamed Paul,) one of the worst persecutors of early Christians, to carry His Gospel to the Gentiles.
Maybe God in His supreme sovereignty decided to save the thief on the cross and show us His gracious mercy ? You think? The man was a thief that in and of itself proves that the thief was not a perfect righteous man. The thief however recognized that Jesus was Righteous and believed what Jesus was saying.
Manny
Originally posted by @fmfConfessing with your mouth is obviously not sufficient, you have to believe in your heart as well. Truly believing in your heart leads to genuine remorse for your sins and sincere repentance which leads to being born again. God in his mercy removes the heart of stone and replaces it with a heart of flesh. This is the miracle of salvation.
What is it that you have "claimed" by citing the story of the "thief on the cross"?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerTruly believing in your heart leads to genuine remorse for your sins and sincere repentance which leads to being born again.
Confessing with your mouth is obviously not sufficient, you have to believe in your heart as well. Truly believing in your heart leads to genuine remorse for your sins and sincere repentance which leads to being born again. God in his mercy removes the heart of stone and replaces it with a heart of flesh. This is the miracle of salvation.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneDo you believe Jesus Christ was/is the Son of God?
[b]Truly believing in your heart leads to genuine remorse for your sins and sincere repentance which leads to being born again.
Actually "sincere repentance" leads to no longer committing sin which is synonymous with being "born again". Anything less than this is not "sincere repentance".
Many are easily deluded into believing that "sincere re ...[text shortened]... ast majority of Christians believe in a gospel that is different from the one preached by Jesus.[/b]
Originally posted by @romans1009BTW, what Jesus and Paul said is consistent; I was asking that last question from your vantage point.
Do you believe Jesus Christ was/is the Son of God?
Do you believe He was crucified for the sins of mankind and was Resurrected?
Do you believe He performed miracles during His ministry?
Do you believe He identified Himself as God?
I don’t expect you to answer any of these questions, as I’ve asked them before and you’ve ignored them.
But if ...[text shortened]... how to obtain salvation? Why believe what he said and not what Paul or the Gospel writers said?
Originally posted by @romans1009Well, Paul taught believers were eternally secure, while Jesus taught insecurity to a sinning believer.
BTW, what Jesus and Paul said is consistent; I was asking that last question from your vantage point.
Jesus spoke more of how people ought to behave because that message was in contradiction to so much of what the Pharisees were teaching, and His sacrificial death and Resurrection hadn’t happened nor, consequently, was the New Covenant in effect yet.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeHow does that analogy translate to — if you are saved but don’t do enough good works I’ll burn you for eternity?
Well, Paul taught believers were eternally secure, while Jesus taught insecurity to a sinning believer.
Tremble at Mat.7:19. :
“Every tree that lacks good fruit is cut down and thrown in the fire.”
Originally posted by @romans1009But if your answer to the questions is “No,” and you believe Jesus was just a man and wise teacher, on what authority did he have to tell other people how to obtain salvation?
Do you believe Jesus Christ was/is the Son of God?
Do you believe He was crucified for the sins of mankind and was Resurrected?
Do you believe He performed miracles during His ministry?
Do you believe He identified Himself as God?
I don’t expect you to answer any of these questions, as I’ve asked them before and you’ve ignored them.
But if ...[text shortened]... how to obtain salvation? Why believe what he said and not what Paul or the Gospel writers said?
Originally posted by @romans1009BTW, what Jesus and Paul said is consistent;
BTW, what Jesus and Paul said is consistent; I was asking that last question from your vantage point.
Jesus spoke more of how people ought to behave because that message was in contradiction to so much of what the Pharisees were teaching, and His sacrificial death and Resurrection hadn’t happened nor, consequently, was the New Covenant in effect yet.