Originally posted by RJHindsIt is not that people 'realise' that their view is wrong. It is that they sub-consciously rationalise their beliefs. Various studies have demonstrated this but I can't be arsed to search them out.
Yes, I agree. Even when they finally realize they are wrong their
reaction is still to oppose the truth. But I can't help being concerned
for them anyway and still hope they will get over their subbornness
and pride and accept the truth that leads to eternal life.
Do a Google on 'Cognitive Dissonance'. That should give you a few links.
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by PenguinThere is a much higher degree of evidence for the God of the Holy
So then you need to show the difference between their faith and yours. Or admit that your God has the same degree of evidence as does the Tooth Fairy.
--- Penguin
Bible than for the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny.
That is why as a adult I no longer believe in these three but still
believe in the God of the Holy Bible. The many evidences for the
exisence of the God of the Holy Bible have already been given by
many more intelligent than myself. I cannot top them. So if they
do not believe them, there is no use for my puny two cents.
Originally posted by RJHindsI do see harm in lying to children and so I never taught my child to believe in them (and I was never taught to believe in them as a child).
Children are not stupid to believe in the Tooth Fairy.
We want them to believe in the Tooth Fairy and
Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. We see no harm
in them believing in these things and it makes them
very excited and happy. Isn't that what we want for
our childern - to be happy?
I do not want anyone to be happy at the expense of sanity.
Originally posted by RJHindsCan you list them? Can you defend them? If not, then your reasons for believing in God do not include the evidence in question.
The many evidences for the exisence of the God of the Holy Bible have already been given by
many more intelligent than myself. I cannot top them.
I for one, have never come across any evidence that I find convincing for the existence of God.
Originally posted by twhiteheadHow can a happy child getting gifts from the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus,
I do see harm in lying to children and so I never taught my child to believe in them (and I was never taught to believe in them as a child).
I do not want anyone to be happy at the expense of sanity.
and the Easter Bunny make them insane? If you say you have never
lied to a child, I would bet you are lying.
Originally posted by twhiteheadBut have you really searched for evidence for God?
Can you list them? Can you defend them? If not, then your reasons for believing in God do not include the evidence in question.
I for one, have never come across any evidence that I find convincing for the existence of God.
The Holy Bible says seek and you will find. If you don't
you will probably never find and evidence even if its
right under your noise.
Originally posted by RJHindsWell buddy we do agree on somethings here but I have to go with not lying to your kids. "God hates a lie" and describes that Satan as being the father of the lie.
How can a happy child getting gifts from the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus,
and the Easter Bunny make them insane? If you say you have never
lied to a child, I would bet you are lying.
I understand the thought of making your kids happy as I raised 3 myself. But there are many, many ways to do things for your kids to make them happy.
But in God's eyes is there such a thing as a white lie or some simple little playful lie? As subtle as it seems and it's pretty much done by most people, would one still think it's ok and if Jesus would have married and had children do you think he would have gone along with this tradition and lied to his kids with even just a simple lie? Just my thought....
Originally posted by whodey“...Of course, the same could be said for those of faith. Since the Bible calls those who deny that God exists fools, what do you become as you continue trying to reason with a fool? ...”
So if religious folk are all so stupid as you say, why then would you spend your time trying to reason with them?
Of course, the same could be said for those of faith. Since the Bible calls those who deny that God exists fools, what do you become as you continue trying to reason with a fool?
an interesting interpretation. Next time someone quotes the Bible saying those who deny that God exists are fools, I could say something like: “yes, that's right, for those who continually deny that God exists to those foolish enough to say there is a God are fools for trying inevitably fruitlessly to reason with such fools”.
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Originally posted by RJHindsBut have you really searched for evidence for God?
But have you really searched for evidence for God?
The Holy Bible says seek and you will find. If you don't
you will probably never find and evidence even if its
right under your noise.
The Holy Bible says seek and you will find. If you don't
you will probably never find and evidence even if its
right under your noise.
Haha...so no evidence for "God" unless you have faith then. Kind of renders the need for evidence moot ;]
Originally posted by RJHindsA child that believes in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny is on the way to being delusional. It is decidedly not sane to believe in imaginary entities. That does not mean they are clinically insane - that is another issue altogether.
How can a happy child getting gifts from the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny make them insane?
If you say you have never lied to a child, I would bet you are lying.
I have lied to a child, but I try to avoid it. I certainly do not agree with adults who think that lying to children all the time is somehow good for them, or with those who do it for their own personal benefit or amusement.
Originally posted by RJHindsNo, not really.
But have you really searched for evidence for God?
The Holy Bible says seek and you will find. If you don't
you will probably never find and evidence even if its
right under your noise.
So you say, from my point of view it is just as likely that such evidence is right under my nose as the likelihood of evidence for Santa or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is right under my nose. In other words, I don't believe you and I am so sure that no such evidence exists that I do not waste my time looking for it.
Of course, you too don't think it is there or you would have pointed it out to me instead of waffling on about how I must look for it on my own.
Originally posted by galveston75Certainly I don't believe that a malicious liar will be judged favorably
Well buddy we do agree on somethings here but I have to go with not lying to your kids. "God hates a lie" and describes that Satan as being the father of the lie.
I understand the thought of making your kids happy as I raised 3 myself. But there are many, many ways to do things for your kids to make them happy.
But in God's eyes is there such a thing ...[text shortened]... g with this tradition and lied to his kids with even just a simple lie? Just my thought....
by God anymore than a murderer. But many liberals can't distinguish
between any kind of killing. The Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be
in agreement with them. A soldier defending his country and kills
an enemy and an innocent bystander is just as much a murderer as
a serial killer, who kills people out of anger or for the joy of killing.
These cowards have used their religious beliefs to get out of
serving in the military. I have no respect for any religion like that.
Some go as far as saying killing for food is evil and refuse to eat meat.
I believe it is the intent of the heart that determine if a lie is good or
evil or any other act. I believe we will be judged by Son of God based
upon our intent not just the act alone.
Originally posted by AgergTry this link for evidence for God:
[b]But have you really searched for evidence for God?
The Holy Bible says seek and you will find. If you don't
you will probably never find and evidence even if its
right under your noise.
Haha...so no evidence for "God" unless you have faith then. Kind of renders the need for evidence moot[hidden]Not like I\'m surprised of course though[/hidden] ;][/b]
http://godevidence.com
Originally posted by RJHindsI think many people cannot see the harm in what they call “little white lies,” but the founder of Christianity, Jesus, said: “Whoever is dishonest in small matters will be dishonest in large ones.” He also identified the Devil as ‘the father of lies’. That is certianly food for thought, and it helps us to understand why dishonesty is so widespread. Because most don't think the little white lie is wrong......
Certainly I don't believe that a malicious liar will be judged favorably
by God anymore than a murderer. But many liberals can't distinguish
between any kind of killing. The Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be
in agreement with them. A soldier defending his country and kills
an enemy and an innocent bystander is just as much a murderer as
a serial killer ...[text shortened]... ct. I believe we will be judged by Son of God based
upon our intent not just the act alone.
Luke 16:10 (New Living Translation)
10 “If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won’t be honest with greater responsibilities.
John 8:44 (New Living Translation)
44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Originally posted by RJHindsI'm not going to waste my time sifting through the same old Christian apologetics chite and so called `logical proofs' of "God" fully aware that they all require faith.
Try this link for evidence for God:
http://godevidence.com
What I will do for you however, if you post such `evidence of God' here, is look it over and *then* show you why its worthless. :]