Originally posted by chaney3Two gospels mention the mocking generally - one gospel gives details of what the mocking was (Oh you're a god, you can save me, oh go on then, save me, ha ha etc. my paraphrasing) and one gospel doesn't bother to mention it at all. There is absolutely no reason to think that the thief "changed his mind at the end". You are putting your ideology first and then asserting that the words on the page fit it. One of the gospels even details the content of the mockery that the other two gospels describe. Why would you superimpose your 'he was saved by faith' ideology onto such a straight forward little story? It appears to show that Jesus/God can save anyone He wants, even if they are not believers, and even if they seem - outwardly - to have led bad lives (and of course we don't know whether the thief led a bad life or not).
No, I believe that 1 of the 2 thieves ultimately came to believe that Jesus was the Son of God, before he died.
He may have mocked Him initially, but changed his mind at the end.
Originally posted by FMFIt's Luke 23: 40-43.
Two gospels mention the mocking generally - one gospel gives details of what the mocking was (Oh you're a god, you can save me, oh go on then, save me, ha ha etc. my paraphrasing) and one gospel doesn't bother to mention it at all. There is absolutely no reason to think that the thief "changed his mind at the end". You are putting your ideology first and ...[text shortened]... y - to have led bad lives (and of course we don't know whether the thief led a bad life or not).
Originally posted by chaney3Yes. My point exactly. Luke 23: 40-43. And the other two gospels too. If you're not interested in considering an idea that is different from your own idea, don't worry about it. What I am saying is illustrated by Luke 23: 40-43 too. If it's of no interest to you, it's OK.
It's Luke 23: 40-43.
Originally posted by FMFWhat are you talking about?
Yes. My point exactly. Luke 23: 40-43. And the other two gospels too. If you're not interested in considering an idea that is different from your own idea, don't worry about it. What I am saying is illustrated by Luke 23: 40-43 too. If it's of no interest to you, it's OK.
If you read the verses, this thief 'rebuked' the other thief, saying they were guilty, but Jesus did nothing wrong. Then he asked Jesus to remember Him.
Originally posted by chaney3Yes, I know what the verses say. It's clearly mockery. The gospels (apart from one, which doesn't mention it at all) tell us that it was mockery.
If you read the verses, this thief 'rebuked' the other thief, saying they were guilty, but Jesus did nothing wrong. Then he asked Jesus to remember Him.
It seems that the thief on the cross was part of the 'Old Covenant', because Jesus was still alive during this interaction. Once Jesus' death occured, the 'New Covenant' started, which involves baptism, and obedience to God and the words of Christ.
So, I'm pretty sure I was wrong to bring up the thief.
Originally posted by chaney3What is all this based on? It's not so long ago that you declared you were not and never have been a Christian and you described the Bible as "man made B.S.". And now here you are basing this elaborate doctrine on it?
It seems that the thief on the cross was part of the 'Old Covenant', because Jesus was still alive during this interaction. Once Jesus' death occured, the 'New Covenant' started, which involves baptism, and obedience to God and the words of Christ.
Originally posted by FMFI am giving my opinion.
What is all this based on? It's not so long ago that you declared you were not and never have been a Christian and you described the Bible as "man made B.S.". And now here you are basing this elaborate doctrine on it?
Is this a Christian forum FMF? No.
Does one need to pass a religious test before posting? No.
Mind your own business. If you don't like my posts, ignore them and move on.
Originally posted by chaney3Who said anything about "a religious test"? You've categorically stated that you are not a Christian - and never have been - and that you don't believe in the Bible because, you claimed, it is "man made B.S.". Either you were lying then or you are lying now. Which is it to be?
I am giving my opinion.
Is this a Christian forum FMF? No.
Does one need to pass a religious test before posting? No.
Mind your own business. If you don't like my posts, ignore them and move on.
Originally posted by FMFThe topic is the thief on the cross.
Who said anything about "a religious test"? You've categorically stated that you are not a Christian - and never have been - and that you don't believe in the Bible because, you claimed, it is "man made B.S.". Either you were lying then or you are lying now. Which is it to be?
I am currently a theist, and my thoughts regarding the Bible are still evolving.
Now, would you like to comment about the topic? Or can I expect pages of questions about off topic issues?
Or, you can simply ignore my participation here.
