The Trinity in John 16

Originally posted by @fmf
Just calling it how I see it. You were making a complete fool of yourself before you stepped away for a few weeks.

He was. Im surprised he came back. Its only a matter of time that he revert to his normal self of becoming abusive and vulgar when he does not have his way around here.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
You wont even listen to my corrections in full. I promise to ignore you 🙂 (promises are meant to be broken)

What did I ignore you on?
Was it a serious comment?

I'll go back and check.

Checked! You mean this karoly-aczel ?

Sh****ke !! you lost me after the first line. I nearly dozed off instantly!! Is there a point to this thread which could sumized in a line or two please?

Now how in the world do you really expect me to want to respond to a post that says you went to sleep reading mine ???

Summary - John 16 has some really good things IMO, on the three-oneness of God.

Now in John 16 Jesus speaks of SORROW of the disciples and of JOY of the disciples.

Anyone want to comment on why they have SORROW and why they also will have JOY ?

Yes, I did want to see some new voices on this Spirituality Forum.

What do you think as you read, there is a difference between their sorrow and their joy?

This is no a right or wrong matter. (Well, if you say their JOY is because the Yankees won the pennant, I may say that's probably wrong.) You really have to read it.

Originally posted by @sonship
The anonymity of the Internet annoys me really. It breeds monstrous cowardice and irresponsibility.

There's nothing I say here that I wouldn't say to your face. I don't see how candour and honesty ~ and standing up to your ridiculous insults ~ can be characterized as "irresponsibility" or "cowardice". You are what you post.

Originally posted by @sonship
Anyone want to comment on why they have SORROW and why they also will have JOY ?

I'd say the "sorrow" was understandable because their "King" had been executed for sedition and it was all over. I imagine the notion that there was "joy" was added decades later ~ along with the convoluted story that he had somehow risen from the dead ~ once they'd figured out how to construct a religion that assimilated the fact that their leader had been killed.

Originally posted by @sonship
My name is Jack Wilmore and in mysonship Profile I plainly mention that I was jaywill before. Funny behavior for someone trying to conceal his Forum identity...

No one has suggested that you changed your screen name in an effort to conceal your forum identity. I never have. Who has? What are you on about?

Originally posted by @fmf
No one has suggested that you changed your screen name in an effort to conceal your forum identity. I never have. Who has? What are you on about?

You changed your name from jaywill to sonship for similar reasons: a sort of slate-wiping reset after getting all het up and poisonous about dissent and diversity that you found intolerable.

Basically, that means to me you think I changed my identity from jaywill to sonship to conceal my identity as jaywill.

Now, what I am really on about here is John chapter 16.

Originally posted by @sonship
Basically, that means to me you think I changed my identity from jaywill to sonship to conceal my identity as jaywill.

No it doesn't. It means I thought you changed your name from jaywill to sonship for a sort of slate-wiping reset after getting all het up and poisonous about dissent and diversity. I don't think there was any concealment otherwise I'd have said so.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Are you just oblivious to other people? Do you not understand common courtesy? You are painful and inconsiderate!! You're ideas are without venom, your truth has holes. You ride the same roller-coaster and expect the same result everytime.
Jesus IS doing hard-core penance- I guaranntee you!!

You have summoned me into your life and now you shun me ...[text shortened]... , would you like to inform the forum of who the Angel of Light is? (hint: it rhymes with level )

You write some of the most stupidly inane drivel I have ever come across on this website, and yeah, that's saying a lot. Do us a favor... take your narcissism, and blow.

Originally posted by @fmf
I'd say the "sorrow" was understandable because their "King" had been executed for sedition and it was all over. I imagine the notion that there was "joy" was added decades later ~ along with the convoluted story that he had somehow risen from the dead ~ once they'd figured out how to construct a religion that assimilated the fact that their leader had been killed.

My bolding - sonship

Their joy did not start decades latter but a few days latter.

"And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side.

The disciples therefore rejoiced at seeing the Lord." (John 20:20)

I don't have enough faith to believe your conspiracy theory that you "imagine."

Mary, was the first to witness the resurrected Jesus. In her joy she wanted to embrace Him. This was not decades latter but three days as Hebrews count from His death.

"But May stood outside at the tomb weeping. Then as she wept, she stooped to look into the tomb.(v.11)

And behold two angels in white sitting one at the head and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

And they said to her, Woman, why are you weeping? She said to them, because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not now where they have laid Him.

When she said these things, she turned backward a behold Jesus standing there, yet she did not know that it was Jesus."

My opinion is that probably THIS account was related personally by Mary herself TO the evangelist John.

Cont.

"Jesus said to her, Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking? She said to Him,

Sir, If You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.

Jesus said to her, Mary!

She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, Rabboni!, (which means Teacher).

Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, ... "

In her joy she wanted to embrace Him most likely.
But Jesus taught her that He must present Himself in heaven that very day for the enjoyment of His Father had to come first. Then He would return in the evening to appear to the disciples.

That's what I think happened.

"Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father, but go to My brothers and say to them, I ascend to My Father and your Farther, and My God and your God." (See John 20:14-17)

Mary, the WOMAN witness was the first to see the resurrected Jesus. What an honor.

The information passes the realism test. The disciples would not have recorded that a woman first met Him in His risen state while the male disciples were asleep in fear and sorrow hiding out to save their own skins from a similar fate.

Historical methods would deem that the potentially embracing details of the account, argue more for its authenticity rather than for its fictionalization.

"Mary the Magdalene came, annoucing to the disciples,

I have seen the Lord, and that He had said these things to her." (v.18)

Originally posted by @sonship
Mary, was the first to witness the resurrected Jesus. In her joy she wanted to embrace Him. This was not decades latter but three days as Hebrews count from His death.

[b] "But May stood outside at the tomb weeping. Then as she wept, she stooped to look into the tomb.(v.11)

And behold two angels in white sitting one at the head and one at t ...[text shortened]... iples,

I have seen the Lord, and that He had said these things to her." (v.18)

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May and Farther???

Who are you talking about?

Originally posted by @divegeester
You should consider a longer break.

And you should consider making a post relevant to the OP.

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Sh****ke !! you lost me after the first line. I nearly dozed off instantly!! Is there a point to this thread which could sumized in a line or two please?

Turn on the porn, then you'll wake up!

That should be Mary not May.

"But [Mary] stood outside at the tomb weeping. Then as she wept, she stooped to look into the tomb.(v.11)

Jesus would not allow Mary to touch Him on the morning of His resurrection. He said He had not yet ascended to the Father.

Latter on that very same day He allowed the disciples to examine Him, which probably involved them touching Him physically.

"When therefore it was evening on that day, ... (v.19a)

Notice it was the same day.

" When therefore it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and while the doors were shut where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them, Peace be to you.

And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side,

The disciples therefore rejoiced at seeing the Lord." (vs 19,20)

it is really something the way the Bible often matter-of-factly says things. No begging you to believe. No long argument. Just ... a simple

"The disciples therefore rejoiced at seeing the Lord."

Understatement.... realism with understatement.

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