Spirituality
30 Mar 08
30 Mar 08
Originally posted by David CWhat about the same question in reverse?
Suspend your belief in God...just for a moment. What difference would it make?
I don't necessarily mean to you personally (although, feel free to answer along those lines if you are so inclined), but I mean in the everyday observation of the reality that surrounds us. Would 2+2 still = 4?
31 Mar 08
Originally posted by David CIt's odd that you should start this thread with that question. Just the other day I was thinking, what if Noah hadn't built the ark? Or Abraham hadn't had Issac? Or Jesus hadn't died on the cross and been resurrected?
Suspend your belief in God...just for a moment. What difference would it make?
I don't necessarily mean to you personally (although, feel free to answer along those lines if you are so inclined), but I mean in the everyday observation of the reality that surrounds us. Would 2+2 still = 4?
The answer to your question is this. If there were no God, then there would be no life at all. It's that simple.
31 Mar 08
Originally posted by David COK, that sounds an awful lot like FKBH cop-out.
The reverse question has been "asked and answered" many times over in this forum.
KM, I suppose I would have to start by trying to determine which religion was actually endorsed by God, and then start living it. Now, your turn.
31 Mar 08
Originally posted by josephwI think you have highlighted the problem with his question.
It's odd that you should start this thread with that question. Just the other day I was thinking, what if Noah hadn't built the ark? Or Abraham hadn't had Issac? Or Jesus hadn't died on the cross and been resurrected?
The answer to your question is this. If there were no God, then there would be no life at all. It's that simple.
If you believe in God then you probably cannot conceive of a reality where there is no God and certainly cant really 'suspend' your belief.
He might as well have asked us atheists - "suppose the universe did not exist ....".
How would you react if somebody presented convincing evidence that the story of Noah could not be true?
31 Mar 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou would have to prove that there wasn't a universal flood.
I think you have highlighted the problem with his question.
If you believe in God then you probably cannot conceive of a reality where there is no God and certainly cant really 'suspend' your belief.
He might as well have asked us atheists - "suppose the universe did not exist ....".
How would you react if somebody presented convincing evidence that the story of Noah could not be true?
Go ahead. Prove that the story of Noah isn't true. If you can, then I will suspend my belief in God.
31 Mar 08
Originally posted by josephwwho says noah built the ark? 😀
It's odd that you should start this thread with that question. Just the other day I was thinking, what if Noah hadn't built the ark? Or Abraham hadn't had Issac? Or Jesus hadn't died on the cross and been resurrected?
The answer to your question is this. If there were no God, then there would be no life at all. It's that simple.
31 Mar 08
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Originally posted by josephwerrm, you cannot make the entire human race come out of only 2 old people and 3 other couples.(4 couples) there would be some retarded babies comming out.
You would have to prove that there wasn't a universal flood.
Go ahead. Prove that the story of Noah isn't true. If you can, then I will suspend my belief in God.
or even still make all the rabbit population come out of a pair of rabbits, the adam and eve of the rabbits.
EDIT: here is one more: australia has kangaroos. nevermind that i don't think they are on the list of noah's zoo. if the flood happened, how come all the freakin kangaroos got from mount ararat(that's where noah's row boat supposedly crashed i think) to australia? is australia so nice that the kangaroos would want nowhere else to live? and did they swim there?
31 Mar 08
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Originally posted by josephwWhy? Does 'universal flood' = > Noah story true?
You would have to prove that there wasn't a universal flood.
Go ahead. Prove that the story of Noah isn't true. If you can, then I will suspend my belief in God.
So your belief in God is dependent on the story of Noah being true? Interesting. But then I don't believe you.
31 Mar 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhy not? It was, after all, a miracle.
errm, you cannot make the entire human race come out of only 2 old people and 3 other couples.(4 couples) there would be some retarded babies comming out.
or even still make all the rabbit population come out of a pair of rabbits, the adam and eve of the rabbits.
31 Mar 08
Originally posted by josephwI do not believe the word 'proof' can properly be used outside of mathematics. Thats why I used the phrase 'convincing evidence'. I do think that the scientific evidence against a global flood is overwhelming, but then that isn't proof is it?
You would have to prove that there wasn't a universal flood.
What I do claim is that the scientific evidence against the Noahs ark story is so significant that one must come to the conclusion that God intentionally hid the evidence. That leaves me wondering why he would do such a thing after giving away the secret in the Bible. Maybe its one of those no-proof clauses where God cannot ever leave evidence of his interfering for fear that people will loose their faith.