Theocracy

If there were a country or a state where a portion of the population wanted to amend its constitution in order to become a theocracy, what do you think would be the democratic mathematics, so to speak, that would render such a change valid and just?

@fmf said
If there were a country or a state where a portion of the population wanted to amend its constitution in order to become a theocracy, what do you think would be the democratic mathematics, so to speak, that would render such a change valid and just?

If the borders were open in the direction exit and people were allowed to leave taking all their possessions and assets with them without being subjected to any 'exit tax'.

Most nations don't have pure democracies, the majority are constitutional democracies. As such, the majority can't just agree to just anything, it has to be within constitutional limits.

So it would be virtually impossible for most democracies to switch to a theocracy. I mean actual democracies, not alleged ones like China, North Korea, Russia, etc.

@fmf said
where a portion of the population wanted to amend its constitution

Damn it. Missed this part somehow.

@vivify said
Damn it. Missed this part somehow.

We (America) are dangerously close to rewriting our Constitution.

Google the "Article V movement". The Republic of Gilead is just around the corner.

@suzianne said
We (America) are dangerously close to rewriting our Constitution.

Google the "Article V movement". The Republic of Gilead is just around the corner.

Wow. thanks for letting me about this.

It's actually frightening.

@fmf said
what do you think would be the democratic mathematics, so to speak, that would render such a change valid and just?

50% plus 1 vote?

60%?

Some other proportion?

It will probably have to be gradual. If you're a democracy you can't just "Theocracy? Yes or no?"

There are a lot of constitutional articles that need to be abolished, written in. You will have to do a referendum on each. At a certain point, the state stops being a democracy and then the religious police steps in.

Or you could do an Iran.

@zahlanzi said
It will probably have to be gradual. If you're a democracy you can't just "Theocracy? Yes or no?"

There are a lot of constitutional articles that need to be abolished, written in. You will have to do a referendum on each. At a certain point, the state stops being a democracy and then the religious police steps in.

Or you could do an Iran.

Yes, the change wouldn't necessarily be "valid" OR "just".

It could easily happen with most citizens just "looking the other way". Even the US, with a separation of church and state as one of its bedrock tenets, is at risk.

@fmf said
If there were a country or a state where a portion of the population wanted to amend its constitution in order to become a theocracy, what do you think would be the democratic mathematics, so to speak, that would render such a change valid and just?

Might makes right. Or so they say.

Constitutionally speaking, America is a Republic. Democracy is 50% + 1, which is essentially mob rule, hence the rule of law.

@josephw said
Might makes right. Or so they say.

Constitutionally speaking, America is a Republic. Democracy is 50% + 1, which is essentially mob rule, hence the rule of law.

Do you guys all watch the same news channel?

@suzianne said
Do you guys all watch the same news channel?

Actually, we read the constitution, learn from experience and try not to repeat history.

@josephw said
Constitutionally speaking, America is a Republic. Democracy is 50% + 1, which is essentially mob rule, hence the rule of law.

Maybe you will be a little less evasive if I ask it THIS way:

If your country - a republic rather than a democracy, where that distinction was important to you - had a portion of the population that wanted to amend its constitution in order to become a theocracy, what do you think would be the electoral mathematics, both at ballot box and in the legislatures, that would render such a change valid?

@fmf said
Maybe you will be a little less evasive if I ask it THIS way:

If your country - a republic rather than a democracy, where that distinction was important to you - had a portion of the population that wanted to amend its constitution in order to become a theocracy, what do you think would be the electoral mathematics, both at ballot box and in the legislatures, that would render such a change valid?

The constitution doesn't need to be amended. The efforts of those that seek to do so see and know that the constitution, as is, is an impediment to an ideological agenda that is in opposition to the freedoms guaranteed to Americans.

I promise you this, there will be a revolution if the leftists continue to force, unconstitutionally, their agenda to supplant the constitution with a socialist/Marxist form of government. In fact, that revolution is already in motion.

I grew up in America. I've witnessed 50 years of the policies of leftist/liberalism literally destroy this culture in the name of freedom and progressivism. All lies!

Now "they" are gunning for our constitutional rights, mainly the first and second amendments, and the confrontation may very well be bloody.

I'm not a politician, so I couldn't care less about electoral mathematics, or polling data or anything else. It took a revolution to form our constitution and country, and it will probably take a revolution to keep it.

A theocracy is antithetical to the constitution. It ain't gonna happen.

Your question is moot.

@josephw said
I've witnessed 50 years of the policies of leftist/liberalism literally destroy this culture in the name of freedom and progressivism.

Which years specifically?
Which government policies specifically?
What direct cultural changes from those…specifically?