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So you haven't stopped? Good, it's an excellent game. Catching a white whale is awesome and impressive.
Originally posted by Great King RatWhen we are talking about god as being an actual being, then that being
Is it a scientific hypothesis, though? The way I see it, because of the nature of god (probably any god) he can never be proven scientifically. Because he decides what the rules of nature are and because he decides when he wants to be proven or not. It's not like he's left the scientific door open for us to find him, if we push the right buttons and m ...[text shortened]... me right in the eyes and there's nothing I can do about it." It doesn't work like that, does it?
Originally posted by googlefudgeI'll reply more in depth tomorrow when I'm behind a computer instead of an Ipad, but for now I'll just say that I never claimed or implied that probabilistism (not sure if that's a word...) is a problem with science.
When we are talking about god as being an actual being, then that being
either exists, or it doesn't.
That is a question of fact, of the nature of reality.
That makes it a scientific question.
The fact that it can only be answered probabilistically doesn't negate that.
No question in science is ever answered with 100% certainty, everything ...[text shortened]... demonstrated by any means to exist then for any and all intents and
purposes it doesn't exist.
Originally posted by Great King RatYou can assign probabilities (or more correctly bound probabilities) for
I'll reply more in depth tomorrow when I'm behind a computer instead of an Ipad, but for now I'll just say that I never claimed or implied that probabilistism (not sure if that's a word...) is a problem with science.
The problem is that you cannot assign any probabilities to god's existence. Not zero, not one and nothing in between.
Or if you c ...[text shortened]... t their god has had no effect whatsoever on us, in which case I tend to agree with the argument.
Originally posted by Great King RatOk, no problem.
I am interested in that but fear that it will go straight over my head. I promise I will attempt to read/watch it but I won't promise to understand it or to agree with it. And even if I don't understand it, I might still decide to disagree with it 🙂
But yeah, post some links if you have them.
Originally posted by Great King RatProbability is all about how many options there are and what you know about their relative likelihood. The probability of a gods existence depends on what you know about it, or what knowledge you decide to use in your calculation.
The problem is that you cannot assign any probabilities to god's existence. Not zero, not one and nothing in between.
Originally posted by twhiteheadHow do you assign a numerical value to something that doesn't exist?
Probability is all about how many options there are and what you know about their relative likelihood. The probability of a gods existence depends on what you know about it, or what knowledge you decide to use in your calculation.
If however you take it that there is no evidence specifically for or against the existence of a god, then you can take this ...[text shortened]... e gods.
So the probability that a god exists based only on the above facts is very nearly zero.
Originally posted by divegeesterI don't understand the question. Are you asking how I know how many things don't exist?
How do you assign a numerical value to something that doesn't exist?
Originally posted by Great King RatYes - assuming that you have no other information available.
I really don't understand your argument. Are you saying that the non-existence of an infinite number of things reduces the chance of one particular thing existing?
Originally posted by Great King RatEssentially, if a god interacts, or has interacted in the past, then those interactions will be detectable by science. If it does not, then it effectively does not exist.
I'll reply more in depth tomorrow when I'm behind a computer instead of an Ipad, but for now I'll just say that I never claimed or implied that probabilistism (not sure if that's a word...) is a problem with science.
The problem is that you cannot assign any probabilities to god's existence. Not zero, not one and nothing in between.
Or if you c ...[text shortened]... t their god has had no effect whatsoever on us, in which case I tend to agree with the argument.
Originally posted by PenguinNo its a Fail, for those acts may be out with the natural world and are thus inexplicable by the scientific method.
Essentially, if a god interacts, or has interacted in the past, then those interactions will be detectable by science. If it does not, then it effectively does not exist.
Simples.
--- Penguin.